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Title: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: dbaxter1991 on October 17, 2005, 03:46:53 PM
Now that I hear you guys as Stooge fans:

What would you say is the WORST STOOGE SHORT EVER???

Mine is:
Remakes of those Shemp shorts
Any Joe short

Thus not hating any of the Curly shorts, why do you think?!!!?? :D
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on October 17, 2005, 07:36:22 PM
I went ahead and split this off from the newbie thread. You should have started a new thread. I'll respond to your question because it has been awhile since I've seen a "worst short" thread, and I found your answer confusing and interesting.

First off, I wish you would have been more specific in your answer. You ask which short is the worst and then give your opinion with two very broad answers. There has to be a Shemp remake or a Joe short that sticks out more than the rest as the worst.

As for the "not hating any of the Curly shorts" part, I think you are blinded by your devotion to him. When you have a canon of work as large as the Three Stooges, you are bound to make some stinkers. They made some with Curly and Shemp as well as Joe. If you were more honest with yourself you would realize that not every short they made with Curly was great, or even good. Also, every Joe short and Shemp remake of Shemp shorts aren't equally as bad.

In my opinion the worst short they made was Sweet and Hot. At first I had an adverse reaction to it, as most people do. Now whenever I watch it it feels like watching a train wreck, I can't keep my eyes off it. There isn't a word in the English language to describe how bad that short is.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Shemoeley Fine on October 18, 2005, 12:18:36 PM
The worse are naturally the Joe Besser shorts,  Moe must've been in a daze when he chose Besser as the 3rd Stooge, Joe was out of his league. They only positive out of this negative IMO, is that if Moe and Larry had cashed in their chips and retired, we might have not had the Curly Joe era, but then again we still owuld have as it was the TV re-runs of the shorts with Curley and Shemp that made possible the DeRita feature films, cartoons etc etc

Commotion in the Ocean is unwatchable and the other post-Shemp's death shorts are very inferior. Blunder Boys is the last quality short by the crew.

My least favorite Curley 2-reeler is 3 Loan Wolves, but it's still okay, I won't walkaway if it's on like I do with all the Bessers, all the after Shemp died ones and some of the latter years ones with Samuel Horowitz. There's no doubt that Shemp was the most succesful of the brothers as a whole.

Shemoeley

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: dbaxter1991 on October 18, 2005, 02:13:39 PM
If you wanted something specific, you know when Semp died, the rest of the shorts were remakes.

For example: Creeps (1956) was a remake of The Ghost Talks (1949).

I HATE whaen they do that!

Joe as a stooge sux balls!!!  >:( So does Curly JoeDeRita with those gay-ass movies and those dumb as crap cartoons!!!

Sorry for cursing  :'(
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on October 18, 2005, 02:18:29 PM
You're allowed to curse (except in the review section), but proper spelling would be nice.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Giff me dat fill-em! on October 18, 2005, 05:33:45 PM
I agree with shemps#1 ... Sweet and Hot probably tops the list. This doesn't mean I can't find something useful from it. Everytime I'm in a hurry, I'll usually say to the person being slow, "Please, ... my time is liniment!"
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: kinderscenen on November 23, 2005, 07:00:12 PM
All right, all right--no matter WHO was the 3rd Stooge after Shemp's death, he would be a poor substitute unless they could've gotten Buddy Hackett, which would've been interesting...not necessarily better, because either he would've been a "Curly Clone", or something similar.

In response to the Joe-era shorts "sux balls," I tend to think that they were already heading that way, even if Shemp had lived. Lest I repeat stuff we all know, dwindling budgets, etc. had a way of effecting the quality of the shorts.

As far as the worst, I would have to say "Beer Barrel Polecats" simply because of the sheer stupidity of even THINKING of using that amount of stock footage. Curly's health problems had been dealt with successfully in shorts such as "Three Loan Wolves" and "Three Little Pirates", so there was little need to slap together what could've been a great short (the beginning is quite funny) that only needed more material...new material. What resulted was a poorly matched mishmash of young, vibrant Curly/older, ill Curly that made no sense.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 11, 2006, 08:46:50 AM
I think the worst episode is cuckoo on a choo choo. It's not even funny.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: carpetman on February 11, 2006, 10:42:48 PM
that is just your opinion but it is probably the greatest of the shemp shorts
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 12, 2006, 03:33:07 PM
Who agrees with me? "Sweet and hot" is the worst Joe short that you can ever think of?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: NicktoBarada on February 12, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
I've never actually seen Sweet and Hot (or maybe I did, and tried to block the memory from my mind) but off the top of my head, the worst Joe short I can think of is that one where the Stooges discover their dead sister has been reincarnated as a horse... Gad, I can't even remember the name of that short now!  *goes to look it up*  But it was pretty darn stupid.  I never liked the Joe shorts, they're just not funny!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 13, 2006, 05:40:20 PM
Have you guy's seen the Joe episode"Oil's well that ends well"? It's the only Joe short that made me laugh. You can't possibly say that this is the worst joe episode. It made me laugh
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Curley91 on February 13, 2006, 07:16:31 PM
I totally agree.  "Sweet And Hot" is the worst stooges' short I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on February 14, 2006, 05:26:47 PM
I have to agree with nyuknyuk. Cuckoo on a Choo Choo (1952). I have a book titled "The Three Stooges Scrapbook" that has notes this one is "Without a doubt, the worst stooge comedy." The entire thing takes place in a railroad passenger car. And I'm sorry, but I don't find anything amusing about Shemp (or anyone else) as an incurable alcoholic. And as a sidebar, Larry's performance is just plain weird.       
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 14, 2006, 05:33:05 PM
I like curly 100,000 %. I have a strange felling that you guys should know. I get annoyied when i see a curly episode that I've already seen 1 time. I'll give you an example. "Calling all Curs" [1939]. It's a good comedey. I've seen it three times in one week. Do you have that feeling? I'm just curious
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: McSnuff20 on February 14, 2006, 06:37:55 PM
Anytime in my life that a Joe came on I would turn if off.  So I can't pick one in particular but A Merry Mix-up was just awful.   I can't even say what Sweet and Hot was but I'm sure it was crap.  Never partial to Shemp either except maybe Brideless Groom and Fright Night with Chopper were ok.  Hated Coo Coo on the Choo-Choo that was disturbing and that canary.... Otherwise I consider Moe, Larry and Curley as the three Stooges so the worst is Half-Wits' Holiday his last one.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on February 18, 2006, 05:05:18 PM
I don't understand how nyuknyuk or anyone else could possibly get "annoyied {sic}" while watching a Curly short, whether they've seen it once or a hundred times. Then, he says he saw Calling All Curs 3 times in one week & it's a good "comedey {sic}". Huh? Shouldn't he be doubly annoyed at having to watch it 3 times?

As for the Joe Besser shorts, I used to walk away when they came on, but I generally watch them now (although not as closely as those with Curly or Shemp). I guess for the trivia value if nothing else. I get a chuckle when Moe hits Joe, & Joe whines "Ow, that hurts" while half-heartedly hitting Moe back. And I laugh at the scene in Outer Space Jitters when Joe loads the pockets of his pants with gold bars, then his pants fall down causing him to trip & fall flat on his face. As for the trivia, where else could you have seen Dan Blocker portraying a robot/monster prior to his role as Hoss Cartwright in Bonanza? 

My wife doesn't go out of her way to watch the Stooges on her own, but she will watch them if I have them on. Her observation of Joe was "he was a real flamer". That doesn't cross my mind when I see him, but I can see what she means.          
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 18, 2006, 06:19:15 PM
Guess I was unclear on my explanation. What I meant to say was even though Calling all Curs is a good episode, I get really annoyed if i see it more than once in one week. About the Joe shorts, i think the worst one I've ever seen was the remake of "Idiots Deluxe" called "Guns a poppin!" It didn't impress me at all. I recommend the original.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on February 19, 2006, 06:54:43 AM
ok, I understand you now, nyuknyuk. I don't want to see any episodes that often, no matter how good they are. That's one thing that can get a little annoying about the remakes where a lot of stock footage was used. For example, Spike showed "Rip, Sew & Stitch" (remake) recently, & then it seemed like within a few days Spike was showing "Sing a Song of Six Pants" (original).
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 19, 2006, 09:29:22 AM
I see what you mean. i saw "Rip sew and stich" the first time on tubetime which is on demand. It is totally the same plot as Sing a song of six pants           
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Danl57 on February 19, 2006, 04:10:23 PM
Hello Stooge Fans,
I think that the Stooges worst episode as far as I am concerned is "Woman Haters"  That is the short that i watch the least.  It had some funny parts but I thought that they were too limited on what they could do because they had to rhyme everything. Also, Majorie White was the star, not them.
Just my 2 cents
God Bless,
Danl57
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 19, 2006, 04:52:55 PM
That is your opinion and I accept that. The first time I watched that episode I was not impressed. The second or third time I watched it, "Woman Haters" was intersting. Now it's ome of my favorites curly episode.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Pip Pip on February 19, 2006, 07:38:40 PM
I'll have to think on the Shemp episodes, but Hoofs & Goofs and Horsing Around would have to be my least favorite Joe shorts, for obvious reasons.  As for Curly shorts, I don't care for Rhythm & Weep or Beer Barrel Polecats.  I'm not fond of the suicide angle for Rhythm, and it seems generally weak, comedy-wise.  Beer Barrel is a cut up mess, and even the "we all put the yeast in" scene looked like a shadow of the comedy team I know and love.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on February 20, 2006, 01:11:04 AM
I was looking at one of my VHS tapes last night, & "You Nazty Spy" came on. I started watching it, but as I have done before, I fast forwarded to the next short. It's not really very funny at all. The same goes for the other Hitler short, "I'll Never Heil Again". Perhaps these were funny in context, i.e., wartime some 40 years ago, but in my humble opinion, they do not translate well into the modern era.     
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Pilsner Panther on February 20, 2006, 08:28:43 AM
I was looking at one of my VHS tapes last night, & "You Nazty Spy" came on. I started watching it, but as I have done before, I fast forwarded to the next short. It's not really very funny at all. The same goes for the other Hitler short, "I'll Never Heil Again". Perhaps these were funny in context, i.e., wartime some 40 years ago, but in my humble opinion, they do not translate well into the modern era.     

Huh... well, to each their own, but I think the Stooges' Hitler-Fascism satires are timely again and just as funny as ever, because of the circumstances the free world finds itself in now. Maybe the only difference is that there aren't just three would-be dictators trying to take over the planet right now, but dozens of the bastards.

Also, don't forget that the Stooges were the first comedians to satirize Hitler and Nazism, even before Charlie Chaplin did. A brave and gutsy move by some prominent Jewish-American entertainers, considering that no one knew who would win the war at that point.

The scene in "You Nazty Spy" where Moe transforms himself into Hitler ("Now, let me think,") is one of the greatest bits of political satire ever put on film. It influenced even Monty Python ("The North Minehead By-Election") decades later.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 20, 2006, 04:57:38 PM
I agree with you. Rhythm and Weep is the far most curly episode in my opinion. As for Beer -Barell Polecats, they have used a lot of footage from the past in the second half i.e So long Mr.Chumps and In the sweet Pie and Pie. What do you guys think? What, in your opinion, is the worst Curly or Shemp episode ever created in stooge history?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on February 25, 2006, 01:05:53 PM
Great news Stooge fans!!!! All the Joe episodes are going to be gone on Tubetime on demand!!! Thank God they are over. Now it's all Curly!!! What do you think?   
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on March 17, 2006, 07:28:40 PM
In my opinion, there are a lot of Joe episodes I really didn't like. BUT, there is one I particuarly liked. "Outer space Jitters." Its kind of weird (like all the Joe episodes) but it's kind of funny. What do you think?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Giff me dat fill-em! on March 17, 2006, 09:07:33 PM
Yeah, I kinda like that ep too. It also has the distinction of having Dan Blocker as the Space Monster.

Ruler: All our buildings are air conditioned and have every modern convenience. We are way ahead of you earth people.
Prof. Jones: We suspected such possibilities. We seek more knowledge of you, and your friendship.
Moe: Yeah, we'd like to know what's cookin'!
Larry: Such as dames!
Joe: You don't happen to have any spare telephone numbers, do ya?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: JazzBill on March 18, 2006, 07:54:06 AM
It's a toss-up for me, between" Horsing Around " and " Sweet and Hot ". It's usually the one I just finished watching that I hate the most.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on March 18, 2006, 08:35:58 AM
I particuarly dislike horsin around. I don't hate it. The talking horse is just plain wierd. Am I right?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Carrie The Canary on March 18, 2006, 09:49:28 PM
My candidates for worst Stooge shorts:

"Sweet and Hot".  Except for watching Larry dance a little, a waste of film.

"Outer Space Jitters".  All I can say is "ai ai ai, be bop!".  Looks like they shot in on a budget of 75 bucks.

"Cuckoo On A Choo Choo".  OK OK.  People either love it or hate it.  I have not quite made up my mind, but I have to admit that Shemp taking a slug from the jug and then zoning out cueing a mish-mash of auto horns and other assorted sound effects is pretty funny.

"Hot Stuff".  Remakes are generally bad enough, but Joe Palma with his back to the camera flapping his arms, trying to do Shemp's "eeb eeb eeb", and then saying "right" to Moe's instructions in a voice that does not sound anything like Shemp is just plain bizarre!

I know that "Stop Look And Laugh" does not really count, but it must get a dishonorable mention.  Putting new "Mickey Mouse" style music behind Curly's antics is unacceptable.  And the Paul Winchell links are embarassing.  Winch (who was very talanted) obviously took the money and ran on this job!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on March 25, 2006, 08:40:24 AM
On Tv, I saw brief scenes of Sweet and Hot and I'm thinking "UGH!!!!!! This is definetly not the stooges the way that they used to be!!!"
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Giff me dat fill-em! on March 25, 2006, 11:04:11 AM
Huh? ... this is the way they were filmed humpty-odd years ago. So ... Moe and Larry were just desperate for money?, or maybe they were coerced into it. It seems to me, if they spent the time filming it, then how can they NOT be the way they wanted to be?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on March 26, 2006, 12:39:05 PM
OK my opinion was a little off. But I know one thing that's certain, this is maybe the worst episode.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on April 11, 2006, 05:46:57 PM
To me, I don't think there is such thing as a worst curly episode but I think there are two that are really bad. For example, that really bad remake of "Uncivil Warriors'. I know that Curly had bad heatlh,but still... and sock--a bye baby. I don't know why I think it's bad
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: jrvass on April 11, 2006, 08:45:55 PM
To me, I don't think there is such thing as a worst curly episode but I think there are two that are really bad. For example, that really bad remake of "Uncivil Warriors'. I know that Curly had bad heatlh,but still... and sock--a bye baby. I don't know why I think it's bad

Is every one of your posts in this thread? You need to get out more!

James
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Danl57 on April 13, 2006, 06:37:31 AM
I don't think that the Stooges ever made a bad short, but there are some that are my least favorite.  I would have to say "Woman Haters" is my least favorite.  The lines and the actions were too controlled by the rhymes. I respect it as a Stooge short but it is the one I watch the least.  Others have said "Cookoo and the Choo Choo" and "Sweet and Hot" were bad, but I think it was the Stooges being versatile with their acting and with their shorts. 
Just my 2 cents
God bless
Danl57
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on April 14, 2006, 04:53:18 PM
responding to jrvasslast post: what does that have to do wit this topic?
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 Please use proper capitalization. S#1
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on April 15, 2006, 03:07:34 PM
I'm leaving. Thanks for those who listened to me.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: JazzBill on April 15, 2006, 05:38:53 PM
" Alas poor nyuknyuk, I knew him well "
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on April 15, 2006, 06:40:11 PM
Wahhhhhhh, I got a warning for not using the fucking Shift Key, wahhhhhhhhh!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on April 20, 2006, 07:59:22 PM
The worst episode, in my opinion, is "Horsing Around," but "Sweet and Hot" comes in second.

 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Curley91 on April 23, 2006, 05:51:16 PM
I saw "Sweet And Hot" again today on "Stooge-A-Palooza".  It turns out that Joe Besser didn't like that short much either.  He said it was his least favorite of the shorts he was in.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on July 05, 2006, 12:09:18 PM
Whoa! This has been nearly 4 months since anybody posted anything here!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on July 05, 2006, 05:46:48 PM
Maybe that's because there aren't too many bad Three Stooges shorts. Some are better than others, obviously, but there are very few "worst" ones. 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on July 05, 2006, 09:05:49 PM
Whoa! This has been nearly 4 months since anybody posted anything here!

What's the point of bringing up a dead topic just to say it's dead? And didn't you say you were leaving?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on July 06, 2006, 12:50:24 PM
I came back. I missed you guys very much and thats what I decided to do.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: AKStoogeFan on July 06, 2006, 02:38:40 PM
With this topic brought back to the forefront I thought I'd share my thoughts.  I have not yet seen all 190 Columbia shorts, but out of the 65 or so I have seen I can't pick a "bad" one.  However, when thinking of a bad Stooge short, the one that comes to my mind is "Nertsery Rhymes" from the MGM collection.  I almost can't stand to watch that one (and when I do I always fast-forward through those never-ending musical numbers).  Not an ideal showcase for the comedic genius of the Stooges.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Jamison on July 07, 2006, 05:10:13 PM
Ok, I'll bump the thread...
Couldn't sleep a few nights ago, so I slipped in a Stooge compilation tape. And there it was, the absolute nadir of Stoogedom: SAPPY BULLFIGHTERS. Yes, I know it was their Columbia swan song, but it just seemed like a race to be the first one out the door by all concerned! The grotesque editing of the stock footage and the sheer exhaustion oozing from Moe and Larry makes it excrutiating to sit through. Strangely enough, I actually like Besser's performance; he actually has a little energy and tries to make a go of it. Otherwise, a waste of celluloid.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Gorilla Watson on July 08, 2006, 08:50:37 AM
For me, nothing the boys turned out was as bad as Sweet and Hot. I saw it years ago and I still have nightmares.

Beer Barrel Polecats comes close though, with the extensive usage of older footage that didn't even make sense in places. Why did they suddenly want to look for 41144 and break him out? Why did the guard suddenly look grossed out and run away to go throw up? I think there might be a way to combine this short with So Long Mr. Chumps so everything would make sense. Would anyone be interested in a new topic where we can write up a combination of such shorts, and of and originals and their actual remakes, to make one long storyline? If so, what forum should it be in? I'm thinking General Discussion.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Curley91 on July 08, 2006, 12:57:41 PM
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Why did the guard suddenly look grossed out and run away to throw up?

The reason the guard was grossed out was because Curly made his famous "paint sandwich" again, but it had been edited out.  I don't understand why that part is cut out so often, just because Curly says "They generally hang out on the gallows".  I don't see anything wrong with that. 

"Beer Barrel Polecats" is definitely one of my least favorite Curly shorts.   
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: nyuknyuk on July 08, 2006, 04:15:47 PM
Beer-Barrel Polecats wasn't too bad. But it is really annoying to see scenes we've already seen! >:(
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Hammond Eggar on September 24, 2007, 06:19:17 PM
If you wanted something specific, you know when Semp died, the rest of the shorts were remakes.

For example: Creeps (1956) was a remake of The Ghost Talks (1949).

I HATE whaen they do that!

Joe as a stooge sux balls!!!  >:( So does Curly JoeDeRita with those gay-ass movies and those dumb as crap cartoons!!!

Sorry for cursing  :'(

I should say so!  Where's your Emily Post!?! (LOL)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Hammond Eggar on September 24, 2007, 06:30:48 PM
With this topic brought back to the forefront I thought I'd share my thoughts.  I have not yet seen all 190 Columbia shorts, but out of the 65 or so I have seen I can't pick a "bad" one.  However, when thinking of a bad Stooge short, the one that comes to my mind is "Nertsery Rhymes" from the MGM collection.  I almost can't stand to watch that one (and when I do I always fast-forward through those never-ending musical numbers).  Not an ideal showcase for the comedic genius of the Stooges.

Nertsery Rhymes wasn't too bad.  The short that I find pretty boring is The Big Idea.  It should have been titled No Idea.  I do enjoy watching the MGM shorts from the Healy era.  At the least, the historical perspective makes these shorts still relivant.  That said, these shorts were mere excuses for MGM to use up some discarded song-and-dance routines from their full-length musicals.  Thus, not much thought was put into the writing or execution of these shorts.  That said, I do enjoy titles such as Beer and Pretzels and Plane Nuts.  I particularly enjoy the song "Merry, Merry World" (correct title?) from Beer and Pretzels.  As for the boys' Columbia shorts, I'm not a big fan of such titles as No Dough Boys, Beer Barrel Polecats and Cuckoo on a Choo Choo.  The Joe Palma Shemp shorts are hard to watch, as well. [pie]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Justin T on November 01, 2007, 12:15:43 PM
Nertsery Rhymes wasn't too bad.  The short that I find pretty boring is The Big Idea.  It should have been titled No Idea.  I do enjoy watching the MGM shorts from the Healy era.  At the least, the historical perspective makes these shorts still relivant.  That said, these shorts were mere excuses for MGM to use up some discarded song-and-dance routines from their full-length musicals.  Thus, not much thought was put into the writing or execution of these shorts.  That said, I do enjoy titles such as Beer and Pretzels and Plane Nuts.  I particularly enjoy the song "Merry, Merry World" (correct title?) from Beer and Pretzels.  As for the boys' Columbia shorts, I'm not a big fan of such titles as No Dough Boys, Beer Barrel Polecats and Cuckoo on a Choo Choo.  The Joe Palma Shemp shorts are hard to watch, as well. [pie]

I have to agree, I like Beer and Pretzels and Plane Nuts the most out of their MGM shorts. There is some really funny
material in both.

As for Worst Short? I'd have to go with Beer Barrel Polecats, very unhealthy Curly combined with WAY too much stock footage. That one is painful to watch.

You can also easily make cases for any of the Joe Palma Shemp's and Sweet and Hot . I really have a hard time watching any of those.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Pat The Stooge on November 01, 2007, 02:51:05 PM
While I'm really late on this topic I have ten unwatchable stooge shorts to list as my personal crap heap:

 All four of the A.D. Shemps round out the first because Columbia's greed of not allowing Shemp to be retired after his death and hiring Joe Palma to stand in for Shemp and wear a hairpiece while having Moe and Larry pretend Shemp is still there.

10. Hot Stuff(1956) How many of us think that Palma's "eep-eeping" and armflapping is just plain stupid? I know I do.

9. Rumpus in the Harem(1956)At the beginning Moe reads a note left by Shemp saying he's gone to open the resturant. Who do you think your fooling Columbia? We know he's not there!!!!!!

8. Scheming Schemers(1956) While most fans  give this short a good score because Palma is used for only one scene and Moe and Larry try to move on with a Two Stooge act, Shemp's abesence is too noticeable and Cohn rejected this idea anyway and got Joe Besser so it doesn't get off so easily.

7. Commotion in The Ocean(1956) Boring,tired and clustrophobic. Plus Gene roth filling in for Shemp is very very lame. I can't believe Moe and Larry were forced to endure this mess on top of overusing Shemp's name. Yes, I know guys it's Harry cohn's fault this happened and he couldn't give a rat's ass about Shemp being dead and used him anyway.

6. Halfwits Holiday(1946( Released early 1947)While alot of fans are sentimental about this short, I don't excuse it for being made. There's is nothing decent about this short and it's not just because Curly looks so deathly ill  here, it's the fact that poor Jerry was forced by the stuffed shirts of Columbia to work on the day he had a stroke. Jules White doesn't get off either. If he had a heart, He would have scrapped this short after Curly's stroke or would have reworked it with Shemp instead while probably would have made alot more sense. But unfortanely, White didn't edit the short and Moe and Larry had to do a pie fight scene without Jerry and his life was greeted with abject pain, misery, and an untimely grave.

5. Beer Barrel Polecats(1946) There is nothing, I mean Nothing good about this cheesy ass looking piece of trash that looks like it was edited in just under a few hours. How could someone enjoy this horrible rehased piece of junk that uses stock footage from "So Long Mr. Chumps" and "In the sweet pie and Pie" with a plot so convoluted that you can't figure out what the hell is going on?! Look, I know Jerry was sick, and I know Jules White was just trying to cover up his illness by using stock footage but everyone knows that just seven years later in 1952 using stock footage became a standard routine pratice of Columbia's Short subject department to cut production costs. And if you  excuse that then wouldn't it have been alot easier for Jules White to use stock footage from "Hoi Polloi" and "Three Little Beers"? That would have made more sense. Instead the title"Beer Barrel Polecats" is an understatement. It's smells terrible.

4. Rythm and Weep(1946) Does anyway like "Gents without Cents"? Watch that instead of this garbage. not only is Curly very ill here (he talks and moves slow) but Jerry looks ragged and has lost some weight here and the short is bogged down by horrible singing and dancing and poor acting. I'm just thankful that Columbia didn't do a remake of this crapper with Joe Besser and like Shemps #1 said, Even if Curly wasn't sick he wouldn't have been able to save this train wreck anyway.

3. Hoofs And Goofs(1957) While I like many people consider the Joe Besser era to be the lowest point of the Stooge's career, There were only three shorts that I choose for this list that are the worse of the shorts he made with Moe and Larry and Besser's first stooge effort blows garbage. It's unfunny, tired, lame and has the ability to make even the most die hard fan of Joe Besser ashamed to be a fan. This shorts sucks really horribly and the talking horse bit is old hat and lame. This screenplay was written by Felix Adler and it kinda of makes me wonder if Clyde Bruckman and Shemp Howard were alive then, would they really have wanted to make this mess?

2. Sweet and Hot(1957(released in 1958)While every single stooge fan ranks this is the cream of the crap the #1 worst stooge short of all time. It falls right behind another one that I consider worse. Sweet and Hot is by far beyond bad! It's abysmal and atrocious. Completely unbearable and unwatchable. Is there anything at least average about this short? Well.........No. Mauriel Launders can't sing, she can't dance. She can't even act!!!!She was basically the Heather Locklar of her day, but even Locklar can act better them Launders. I remember watching this back in 1996, but of course I was new to the stooges and only a kid then I actually liked it then. Which leads to the theory that by '57 when it became apparant that the short subjects department was going to be shut down that it was made for children who were watching them at Saturday movie matenees then. When you watch the short you can't even fathom what Moe,Larry and joe had to endure and the fact that when Launders sang" Let's fall in Love" the farm animals were probably begging for mercy not singing alone. Yeah Stooge once asked this question several years ago: "Why the Hell was this Made into a stooge short?" Plus could we really give a damn about Tiny about to be spanked by her father?(Moe)Mabye she had it coming. When it came on AMC in 2001, I watched it again by then I was older and in my late teens. It was so bad that after about two minutes I changed the channel.Besser doesn't lie, If he himself siad it was a turkey, then it must be that BAD.

1. Horsing Around(1957)Like xraffle, I pick "Horsing Around" as THE worse stooge short ever!!!!!!!!How bad is it? Well in '96 I saw it for the first time on the Family Channel and thought of it as the stupiest thing I'd ever seen in my life. I remember that I was NOT laughing while I watched it! I shrugged it off as pure "nonsene" and promised myself to change the channel whenever it came on, thankfully The Family Channel rarely aired this piece of rotting crap. Then in 2001 AMC played it. not just once. But several times a week!Pissing me off something awful. First of all I thought to myself" What the hell is wrong with Columbia? What were they smoking when they decided to make a sequel to "Hoofs And Goofs"? If you think the idea which was doomed from the start, then wait till you see all the things that are wrong with this short. First of all if the think that the crapper "Hoofs and Goofs" is bad then this is pure monotomous stooge hell! The acting sucks, it actaully looks like the stooges are reading off of cue cards. If the editing on "Beer Barrel Polecats" was cheesy then on here it looks like it was made on a $ store camera. The diolouge? Sounds like it was made up during a night of partying and getting wasted. And the short even feels like it was shot in just 3 hours!3 hours!!!!Come on, I know A.D. Shemps were made in one day but this looks like it was shot in just under a few hours!

And the subplot? Pffff! Sounds like the writers were drunk, high, and comepletely out of ideas. Bertie has a baby colt huh? Really really pathetic. After I watched in 2001 I really really felt like committing suicide. I would do anything to get the nigtmare of having the Stooge babysit "Snapps" removed from my brain. I even tried watching this again in 2003 but couldn't make through a minute before I changed the channel. Sony, if you hear us fans please spare us of the negetives and do what you can to destroy this atrocity do what you can to make it stop existing!Please!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Hammond Eggar on November 01, 2007, 03:53:50 PM
Ok, I'll bump the thread...
Couldn't sleep a few nights ago, so I slipped in a Stooge compilation tape. And there it was, the absolute nadir of Stoogedom: SAPPY BULLFIGHTERS. Yes, I know it was their Columbia swan song, but it just seemed like a race to be the first one out the door by all concerned! The grotesque editing of the stock footage and the sheer exhaustion oozing from Moe and Larry makes it excrutiating to sit through. Strangely enough, I actually like Besser's performance; he actually has a little energy and tries to make a go of it. Otherwise, a waste of celluloid.

It's interesting that you should mention Sappy Bullfighters.  The editing was, indeed, problematic.  In fact, if one listens closely during the scene where Joe is riding the bull, you can actually hear Curly's voice in the background.  That's sad. :-[
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Hammond Eggar on November 01, 2007, 03:59:59 PM
1. Horsing Around(1957)Like xraffle, I pick "Horsing Around" as THE worse stooge short ever!!!!!!!!How bad is it? Well in '96 I saw it for the first time on the Family Channel and thought of it as the stupiest thing I'd ever seen in my life. I remember that I was NOT laughing while I watched it! I shrugged it off as pure "nonsene" and promised myself to change the channel whenever it came on, thankfully The Family Channel rarely aired this piece of rotting crap. Then in 2001 AMC played it. not just once. But several times a week!Pissing me off something awful. First of all I thought to myself" What the hell is wrong with Columbia? What were they smoking when they decided to make a sequel to "Hoofs And Goofs"? If you think the idea which was doomed from the start, then wait till you see all the things that are wrong with this short. First of all if the think that the crapper "Hoofs and Goofs" is bad then this is pure monotomous stooge hell! The acting sucks, it actaully looks like the stooges are reading off of cue cards. If the editing on "Beer Barrel Polecats" was cheesy then on here it looks like it was made on a $ store camera. The diolouge? Sounds like it was made up during a night of partying and getting wasted. And the short even feels like it was shot in just 3 hours!3 hours!!!!Come on, I know A.D. Shemps were made in one day but this looks like it was shot in just under a few hours!

And the subplot? Pffff! Sounds like the writers were drunk, high, and comepletely out of ideas. Bertie has a baby colt huh? Really really pathetic. After I watched in 2001 I really really felt like committing suicide. I would do anything to get the nigtmare of having the Stooge babysit "Snapps" removed from my brain. I even tried watching this again in 2003 but couldn't make through a minute before I changed the channel. Sony, if you hear us fans please spare us of the negetives and do what you can to destroy this atrocity do what you can to make it stop existing!Please!

Oh, please don't say that! :o  Don't say anything that will discourage Sony from issuing, even just one, of the Stooges' shorts.  I'll admit, the Besser era was not the strongest in the Stooges' history.  That said, as a Stooges fan, I'd LOVE to see all 190 shorts issued on DVD someday.  With the success of the new DVD set covering 1934-1936, I may get my wish.  I'm not superstitious, but, please, don't say anything that could jinx us getting the Besser shorts on DVD.  I say, when the time comes, and the Besser shorts are finally released, all you have to do is just skip over any titles you don't like. ;)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Pat The Stooge on November 01, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
Well okay, I wont.(sarcasm.)

Joe Besser was a great comedian and even kept the stooge legacy alive but he wasn't a stooge. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Hammond Eggar on November 02, 2007, 01:06:11 PM
Well okay, I wont.(sarcasm.)

Joe Besser was a great comedian and even kept the stooge legacy alive but he wasn't a stooge. Nuff said.

I agree that in many ways, Joe didn't seem to fit in as a Stooge.  His sissy persona seemed a better match with Abbott & Costello.  He was great as Stinky, the recurring character he played on A&C's TV series.  The sissy bit, however, didn't seem to adapt very well to the Stooge's style of comedy, which was much more physical.  That said, just because Besser wasn't a perfect fit for the Stooges, doesn't mean that he was a terrible comedic performer.  He just had a style that was better suited for other formats and venues.  At least Besser had a fully realized persona, as opposed to Joe DeRita who had no distinctive style at all.  While I do enjoy both of the Joes, neither were as strong as Curly or Shemp, who were both extremely gifted physical performers.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Pat The Stooge on November 02, 2007, 05:00:06 PM
I agree with you. I liked Joe Besser's solo efforts but as for Joe De Rita, I consider his stooge efforts as mediocre.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Giff me dat fill-em! on November 02, 2007, 08:01:33 PM
Well, me and my friends
Love Larry and Moe
We love Curly's brother Shemp
And his fat clone Joe


At this point the video shows a clip of DeRita in "The Three Stooges Meet Hercules" ...
(no mention of Besser, here, but Besser also doesn't fit the moniker of a "fat clone")
it seems DeRita rates a tiny spot in Jump 'n the Saddle Band's tune, at least.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: ThumpTheShoes on November 02, 2007, 08:06:28 PM
Well, me and my friends
Love Larry and Moe
We love Curly's brother Shemp
And his fat clone Joe


At this point the video shows a clip of DeRita in "The Three Stooges Meet Hercules" ...
(no mention of Besser, here, but Besser also doesn't fit the moniker of a "fat clone")
it seems DeRita rates a tiny spot in Jump 'n the Saddle Band's tune, at least.

"Fat clone" fits the metre of the song, though!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: skeit on November 03, 2007, 09:27:36 PM
I haven't seen Sweet and Hot, which seems to be the common answer, but Rhythm and Weep is very hard to watch both because of its terrible plot and Curly's deteriorated condition.   I've been told he's in worse shape in Three Little Pirates which I haven't seen in years. Can't imagine him being any worse than he was in R and W. 

Gotta say, based on the 150-160 shorts I have seen Rhythm and Weep is by far the worst.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: locoboymakesgood on November 08, 2007, 10:02:59 AM
Well, thanks to a very Stoogetastic member here, I had the honor of watching "Pies and Guys" for the first time in more than 15 years. I was REALLY young when I saw it last, but I remember bits and pieces..

Now let me first say I like the Besser's. Of course, on their own level. I've always been a Shemp fan, and of course Curly.. but I don't hate the Joe's. The man may not have fit in with the Stooges brand of humor, but overall he wasn't THAT bad. Mind you, I still haven't watched all of the Besser's in a long time (many since the Family Channel), so my opinion could change now that I have all 190 shorts - but I've always had a heart for Joe. Moe and Larry with their slick-backed hair in the later episodes alwayas made me chuckle. I watched Quizz Whizz last night and couldn't believe how different Larry looked! That and Moe's line (when talking about Joe) "Hair color? Skin!". There were some great one-liners in the later years.

Anyway, that aside, I've always liked Half-Wits Holiday better than Hoi Polloi (maybe because it was Emil Sitka's first short), so you'd think I'd enjoy this one. Honestly, PIE AND GUYS was kind of pathetic.. I like the fact that Sitka was brought back as Sappington, but I didn't like the guy who played Quakenbush. Gene Roth is always enjoyable, but in this one his role was so small he was pretty insignificant. The problem with this one is that the short is basically a word-for-word remake - with extensive stock footage from both Hoi Polloi AND Half-Wits at the end - but it just doesn't work! Moe aged significantly in 10 years from 46 - 57, so when Simona Boniface talks to him from HALF-WITS, it's blatantly obvious that the footage is recycled. I still don't understand why Besser didn't throw any pies, except for getting hit twice and not doing anything else.. then of course the end of the short is the same ending from Half-Wits with just Moe and Larry (due to Curly's failing health). Very disappointing.

It wasn't unwatchable, it was tolerable.. just a terrible use of stock footage. I think what irked me the most was that they re-shot everyone plowing down Emil Sitka, but when they showed him get up with the footprints on his face it was the same scene from Half-Wits Holiday.. and what's worse is the scene "freezes" before it fades into the next one! This isn't a technical glitch from the broadcast; my copy is from 16mm.. terrible editing job from back in the day.

Of course my opinion could change greatly after I re-watch SWEET AND HOT tonight for the first time in 15 years, too. ;D
Title: Best and Worst Shorts My Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on November 18, 2007, 09:06:39 AM
Just would like to say firstly that this is my first time here and all of this stuff is new to me so please help me get the hang of it.  Thank you.

My favourite Stooges shorts are all the Shemp even remakes the worst to me are the Besser shorts.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: archiezappa on November 18, 2007, 07:25:05 PM
I always liked all the shorts.  Some are better and some are worse.  I think the worst ones are the remakes that use too much stock footage.  I always thought they should have filmed new footage for every short.  The stock footage laden remakes remind me of those "flashback" episodes of Friends.  I think that's why the Curly era was the best.  It was mostly new footage.  The best episodes with Shemp are the ones that have all new footage.  Same for the ones with Joe.  At least they finally quit doing this when they started making feature films.  Except for "Stop! Look! And Laugh!" that is.

I'm the same way with records.  I prefer the original albums over greatest hits compilations any day.  I think you see what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on November 20, 2007, 09:18:00 PM
Dear Archiezappa:

I am with you some of the Stooges shorts are better than others.  I am not really a fan of using stock footage, but I am a died in the wool Shemp-a-holic.  I like the few shorts by him that have no stock footage in them, but I do not mind the ones with.  Also in regards to music I am with you I am not a fan of greatest hits compilations.  They have to be the true blue thing.  Thank you and have yourself a great day.

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra

Moron4392

Moron4392@sbcglobal.net
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on February 17, 2008, 03:12:34 PM
I saw Rhythm & Weep this morning on Spike. Curly doesn't appear to be particularly "deteriorated" in it. There are some funny sequences, but overall, it's not one of the best. The girls' dancing scene sucks, & the Stooges' skit (near the end) is not that great. It's watchable, but if I had my druthers, I'd pick something else. 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on February 17, 2008, 04:13:05 PM
Dog Hambone:

If I may throw in one last opinion about the worst shorts episodes.  I would have to say all of the Besser ones.  I am a Shemp fan.  The Curly ones are all right but not the greatest.

Moron4392 [3stooges]

Everyone here have yourselves a great week upcoming.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on February 17, 2008, 05:40:44 PM
I also saw Rhythm and Weep on Spike this morning.  I agree with Dog Hambone; Curly doesn't really come across as deteriorated, but you can definitely tell that he's tired.  Also noticed that Curly's hair is particularly long in this one, as opposed to all the other shorts he did where it was cropped 'close to the bone.'

My pick for worst episode is a tie btwn Beer Barrel Polecats and Monkey Businessmen. 

Polecats: because the plot with the pieced together stock footage makes no sense (41144 subplot).  It's also a bit of a downer to see an ailing Curly in one scene, cut to the stock footage of a vibrant Curly, and then cut back to the poor, then-present-day, Curly.  When you get down to it, sloppy editing makes for a sloppy film.   

Businessmen:  the plot, in my opinion, isn't that bad.  What makes this one of the worst, for me, is the fact that Curly comes across so sick and run down.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna go down the "he couldn't act or speak" road, because that's just shitty.  The last half of the film, when the Stooges are in their gym clothes, it's obvious that Curly is noticeably thinner.  And take a good look at his face when the camera cuts to a close up of him eating the thermometer.  His eyes, which always had that twinkle to them, appear dark, vacant and sunken in.  That clip by itself, you can't help but think, "Oh my god, 'poor guy was really sick."  The man should've been in a hospital, or at home... not on a sound stage.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: BeatleShemp on February 17, 2008, 06:34:46 PM
I believe that each third Stooge had a bad short or two.  I have to agree that BEER BARREL POLECATS is probably one of the worse shorts in the Curly period, but I wasn't a fan of THE YOKE'S ON ME or FLAT FOOT STOOGES EITHER.  MERRY MAVERICKS and BUBBLE TROUBLE have to be my least favorite Shemp episodes (Their originals weren't all that good either, though I enjoyed PHONY EXPRESS more over ALL GUMMED UP).  And as far as Joe Besser shorts go, it's a half-half thing.  I liked about half of his shorts, and tolerated/disliked the other half.  I think the big thing was the writing.  I don't think Jack White was a great writer.  It seemed like his forte was doing remakes, but his originals weren't all that good.  I could picture Curly or Shemp in HOOFS AND GOOFS, and mind you there would be some great slapstick, but I don't think it would be much better than the Besser outing (and that was bad, the only thing good about HOOFS was that Moe and Larry kept their traditional Stooge 'dos). 

The Shemp remakes are undeniably hard to watch (though there were some good gems), and I think that STONE AGE ROMEOS probably was the cleverest remake, because the cavemen story tied in with the fact that the Stooges shot that footage to cheat the guy out of money. 

Here's my list of the worst Stooges shorts in my opinion:
CURLY:
The Yoke's on Me
Beer Barrel Polecats
Three Troubledoers
SHEMP:
MERRY MAVERICKS
BUBBLE TROUBLE
FLING IN THE RING
WHAM BAM SLAM
JOE:
SWEET AND HOT
PIES AND GUYS
OUTERSPACE JITTERS
SAPPY BULLFIGHTERS
HOOFS AND GOOFS
HORSING AROUND
GUNS A-POPPIN
MUSCLE UP A LITTLE CLOSER

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: JazzBill on February 17, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
curlysdame,   I agree with you 100 %." Polecats " has to be the worst mix of shorts there is. It just doesn't go together. And in "Businessmen", you can actually see Moe nudging Curly with his elbow to let him know to speak his lines. Very painful to watch.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: IFleecem on February 17, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
I definatly agree that "Sweet And Hot" is the worst Stooge Comedy, the only slighly amusing bit is Moe's doc routine!

"Zit",  Now You Zit"

I Am the dumbkopt
(yeah after reading the script and STILL filming this StoogeBomb guys!

In Three Stooges Scrapbook, they say Coo Coo On A Choo Choo they quote that is the worst stooge comedy, can't agree with that though, they gave it no stars I believe...can't remember how many stars they gave Sweet And Hot.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: locoboymakesgood on February 18, 2008, 04:20:19 PM
Beer Barrell Polecates is an atrocity. The first half of the short would have had major potential had it been made 4 or 5 years earlier, during Curly's prime. Could have been one heck of a short if they didn't rely so heavily on stock footage.

I like Sweet and Hot, not my favorite and not the best but it has its moments.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Lefty on July 13, 2008, 10:09:15 AM
True, the stock footage in Beer Barrel Polecats is the worst utilization of all stock footage.  As for episodes themselves, allowing one per "Third Stooge," my choices would be "Woman Haters" for Curly, "Cuckoo on a Choo-Choo" for Shemp, and "Hoofs and Goofs" for Joe.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on July 13, 2008, 12:46:13 PM
Dear Gentlemen: ;D

Sirs I would have to agree with you that "Beer Barrel Polecats" was not one of their best.  Stock footage usage sirs was bad.  But gentlemen if I may insert my own personal opinion of worst episodes, it would be the Joe Besser era.  To me sirs he was not a Stooge. (Best era all Shemps).

Thank you gentlemen.  And may your upcoming week be a great one.

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 [3stooges]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 13, 2008, 02:41:02 PM
Dear Gentlemen: ;D

Sirs I would have to agree with you that "Beer Barrel Polecats" was not one of their best.  Stock footage usage sirs was bad.  But gentlemen if I may insert my own personal opinion of worst episodes, it would be the Joe Besser era.  To me sirs he was not a Stooge. (Best era all Shemps).

Thank you gentlemen.  And may your upcoming week be a great one.

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 [3stooges]

I agree with you, especially after watching "Horsing Around." But as much as we all hate them, we still would like to see them released on DVD because no stooge collection would be complete without them.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: locoboymakesgood on July 13, 2008, 03:11:41 PM
I still think I'm probably the only Stooge fan who can thoroughly enjoy the Bessers. I like all 190 shorts, and even like the Shempless Shemp shorts.

I guess I'm too dedicated.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on July 13, 2008, 03:37:05 PM
Dear Sir: (XRAFFLE): [pie]

Sir I would like to thank you for taking the time to answer my post.  Sir as much as I do not like the Joe Besser era, I do have to agree they should be inserted on DVD because he was with Larry and Moe and part of The Stooges history.

Again sir thank you for your reply and again sir have a great upcoming week.

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 [stooges]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: jrvass on July 14, 2008, 09:04:31 AM
Lets call a spade a spade. Joe Besser was faggy, not funny. If they release a DVD of all Joe's, I'm passing on it.

James
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 14, 2008, 09:51:13 AM
Lets call a spade a spade. Joe Besser was faggy, not funny. If they release a DVD of all Joe's, I'm passing on it.

James

This is what scares me. Many people are considering the same thing, which is why I'm afraid Sony might not release the Joe's on DVDs. I think they might get half-way through the Shemp shorts and then stop releasing the DVDs due to people not buying them.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on July 14, 2008, 12:01:48 PM
Dear Sir:  (JRVASS; JAMES): ;D

Sir I do have to whole heartly argee with you.  Besser was nothing but a woose muffin fag.  Sir I never did or will accept him as a Stooge.  I will also pass on his DVD's if they are inserted into the collection.  I sir, have transcribed a few of his shorts and I have put in a few of my editorial comments.  He was a gay boy.  James thank you sir for saying my feelings exactly.  Please sir enjoy the rest of your week.  Sir in closing just would like to say everytime I have read one of your posts they have been fun to read.  You sir have a cool sense of humour.

Good Bye Sir:
Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 [pie]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 14, 2008, 12:23:48 PM
I sure hope Sony doesn't see this thread.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: RICO987 on July 14, 2008, 12:36:13 PM

Me too!!! Please, Sony, if you do see this, please know that there are many, many of us who will buy all 190.  Please do not stop issuing this series until the Columbia years are complete!

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 14, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
Me too!!! Please, Sony, if you do see this, please know that there are many, many of us who will buy all 190.  Please do not stop issuing this series until the Columbia years are complete!

Yeah I know. The moderators should ban all members who say they'll pass on the Joe DVDs. Ok, I'm only joking! ;D

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Lefty on July 14, 2008, 01:35:01 PM
"If you build it, he will come."  Or in the case of Sony's Stooges DVD's, "If they make it, I will buy."  Even though Joe was a schmo, I still want all 190 Stooges episodes complete and uncut, to see scenes that I haven't "scene" in 35 years at least.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: stoogeophile on July 14, 2008, 03:04:52 PM
Dear Sir:  (JRVASS; JAMES): ;D

Sir I do have to whole heartly argee with you.  Besser was nothing but a woose muffin fag.  Sir I never did or will accept him as a Stooge.  I will also pass on his DVD's if they are inserted into the collection.  I sir, have transcribed a few of his shorts and I have put in a few of my editorial comments.  He was a gay boy.  James thank you sir for saying my feelings exactly.  Please sir enjoy the rest of your week.  Sir in closing just would like to say everytime I have read one of your posts they have been fun to read.  You sir have a cool sense of humour.

Good Bye Sir:
Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 [pie]

Joe Besser was a gifted comedian, and the most important thing, he didn't try to imitate Curly (as Curly-Joe tried to do) or Shemp, but only did his OWN character, and that is a remarkable aspect of his Three Stooges act. He performed in many TV shows and feature films as well, next to big stars, and that is not something that you get without talent. He was a gentleman in real life, welcomed visitors to his home many times, and received the Walk of Fame star on behalf of the Stooges, and it's a shame many so-called fans didn't understand his unique type of humor.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: JazzBill on July 14, 2008, 05:54:05 PM
The Stooges made 190 shorts. If you consider yourself a true Stooge fan, you should want to collect all 190 shorts, I would think. That would include the 16 Besser shorts. I'm not a big fan of Besser, but I would be disappointed if Sony didn't release the Besser shorts.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 14, 2008, 06:03:27 PM
The Stooges made 190 shorts. If you consider yourself a true Stooge fan, you should want to collect all 190 shorts, I would think. That would include the 16 Besser shorts. I'm not a big fan of Besser, but I would be disappointed if Sony didn't release the Besser shorts.

Exactly. That's why I don't know why people are skipping on it because Joe is "gay" or whatever. We were all begging Sony to release these sets and now that they're finally doing it, people are now deciding they're going to skip sets when they're only $20.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moe Hailstone on July 14, 2008, 06:39:56 PM
I hate the Joe Besser shorts (except for the UFO ones) this much.   >:D >:D

I hate having incomplete sets of series on DVD this much.   >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

If Sony releases the Joe Besser shorts I will buy them, just to complete my set...and watch the UFO ones.   [cool]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on July 14, 2008, 06:41:15 PM
Joe Besser was a gifted comedian, and the most important thing, he didn't try to imitate Curly (as Curly-Joe tried to do) or Shemp, but only did his OWN character, and that is a remarkable aspect of his Three Stooges act. He performed in many TV shows and feature films as well, next to big stars, and that is not something that you get without talent. He was a gentleman in real life, welcomed visitors to his home many times, and received the Walk of Fame star on behalf of the Stooges, and it's a shame many so-called fans didn't understand his unique type of humor.

  I agree, Stoogeophile.  Ok, so maybe Joe wasn't exactly Stooges material, but he did have his moments.  I may not be that crazy about his work with The Boys, but I do have a certain respect for him as a comedian; he did bring a different persona to the team, instead of trying to recreate Shemp or Curly.  That 'big sissy' character was totally his own.  C'mon, Joe, the giant sissy, pissing off a much older, more anger-prone Moe?  Somewhat humorous.

As for Joe's resume… he didn't work with the best because of his looks.  Give the guy some credit.  Yeesh.  And I, too, have heard stories that he dedicated much of his time to helping children’s causes, talking to fans, etc. 

Like a lot of people, my thoughts on Joe used to be, "Eeh, I don't like Joe.  He's not a Stooge."  But, when I saw footage of the Star ceremony, it completely changed my mind about him.  I've always felt that, despite the fact that he was only a Stooge for 2 years, he represented them so well that day.  He just came across as thankful and truly appreciative of everyone that was in attendance.  Watching his little speech and hearing him say how his tenure with The Stooges were some of his best years, that the departed Stooges were looking down on them that day, etc, I couldn’t help but think, “Aww, he seemed like such a nice guy.  I guess the word ‘endearing’ would be appropriate.  He gets major kudos from me for all that. 


If Sony puts out the Besser shorts, I'd definitely get them.  I agree Jazz... only a true fan would buy the 16 Bessers.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Justin T on July 14, 2008, 07:34:31 PM
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the Besser era either. But I dont hate Joe or his contribution to the Stooges.
Some of his shorts are not that bad IMO

I will gladly buy them when Sony gets to them. I want the entire shorts collection on DVD and I am
greatful that Sony is working toward that goal with the new Collection DVD sets.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on July 14, 2008, 07:59:56 PM
I can see people not liking Besser as a Stooge, really I can.  But in all my years of Stooging, never once have I ever not enjoyed a Besser short for reasons that border on homophobia.  In fact, until now, I never gave Besser's character's sexuality any thought...EVER.  I just don't think he made the greatest Stooge because he wouldn't participate fully in the slapstick, and slightly in his defense, the budgets and script writing of the shorts department weren't exactly at their peak in '56 and '57.  I would say Franklin Pangborn was a character actor who a lot of times, if not exclusively, played gay characters, but Besser?  I mean, look at his Stinky character on the Abbott and Costello Show, (in which he was hysterical) for a blatant example that Besser was a man-child.

I do enjoy a few of the Besser shorts, and have learned to apprecite SWEET AND HOT on a camp level, and I would love to see the Besser shorts released. 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: BeAStooge on July 14, 2008, 08:08:20 PM
I sir, have transcribed a few of his shorts and I have put in a few of my editorial comments.  He was a gay boy.  

For the record, let's put an end to ignorant statements like that... Joe Besser was not gay. And, he and wife Ernestine were happily married for over 55 years.


As for Joe's resume… he didn't work with the best because of his looks. 

Joe had an very busy career, working with some of the best in the business, in vaudeville, on Broadway, on radio, on television, and in film.

In film alone, and only considering feature films in which he starred or costarred, names with whom he shared scenes include...
Ann Miller, Larry Parks, Marjorie Main, Donald O'Connor, Jackie Gleason, Yvonne DeCarlo, Paulette Goddard, Marilyn Monroe, Bing Crosby, Robert Wagner, Ray Walston, Debbie Reynolds, Bud Abbott, Lou Costello, more.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 14, 2008, 08:17:35 PM
For the record, let's put an end to ignorant statements like that... Joe Besser was not gay. And, he and wife Ernestine were happily married for almost 55 years.

Yes, thank you. It's bad enough people put down Joe because of his type of humor, but to call him gay, I find that a bit harsh. Yes, he's no Curly, but he did his best. However, Joe was pretty popular on his solo career, but when he joined the stooges, nobody really cared for him. He's probably just not fit to be a stooge. I've seen him in "The Abbott and Costello Show" and I thought he was pretty funny there.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on July 14, 2008, 08:36:21 PM
Don't worry, that's just Diane showing her unending ignorance and closed/simple-mindedness. I knew it would only be a matter of time until she showed her true colors on the boards, just gently pat her on her head and roll your eyes at her.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on July 14, 2008, 09:23:56 PM
Besser was nothing but a woose muffin fag.    He was a gay boy

After reading Diane's post again, I gotta say... yeeah, sounds pretty ignorant.  Please, none of the Stooges were gay.  And besides, acting like a sissy isn't the same thing as being gay;I would know, I live in San Francisco (I've seen gay the likes of which you have never seen before).  Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Joe married the longest out of all the Stooges? 

The way I see it:  55 years with the same woman = incredibly not gay.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 14, 2008, 10:01:43 PM
Yeah, it's bad enough to say "gay," but to go as far as saying "woose muffin fag!!" I don't know. I agree with metaldams. In my entire life watching the stooges, never have I ever associated homosexuality with any of them. But Diane is a Team Stooge, so we still need to maintain our respect for her, I think. [confused2]

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on July 14, 2008, 10:26:06 PM
The only Team Stooge member who does much of anything is Brent, none the less you should refrain from taking shots at Diane. It's not nice to make fun of those who cannot help themselves, so please: don't be a Jim.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moe Hailstone on July 14, 2008, 10:35:54 PM
It's funny how things work.

I read this topic, and commented on Joe.  Then later I watched a MST3K episode that had an experiment about Joe Besser!  I looked for it on YouTube, but couldn't find the clip so I had to make it.

[youtube=425,350]6g2e41l36es[/youtube]


The way I see it, Joe isn't gay (acting or in real life).  His Stooge character was more of the wuss/wimp/sissy type.  The guy who can get angry, but doesn't know how to do anything with it.  He can be funny, but unfortunately the stories/plots used with Joe were old.  That is probably why I like the UFO ones so much, since they are new material that wasn't used with Curly or Shemp.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: jrvass on July 14, 2008, 10:58:49 PM
Diane just agreed with my persepction of Joe. Whether he was a fag or not in real life, I don't care. But in the Stooges  he was.

My 2 pennies.

James
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on July 14, 2008, 11:20:57 PM
Diane just agreed with my persepction of Joe. Whether he was a fag or not in real life, I don't care. But in the Stooges  he was.

Cool.  But can we retire this whole 'fag' issue?  [deadhorse]   Joe wasn't a 'fag,' and neither were any of the other Stooges.  I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I think it's pretty insulting to Joe's memory to refer to him as a 'gay boy' or a 'muffin fag.'  Muffin fag?  Wtf?  What a dumb comment.

...Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is this:  this is supposed to be a site where we're pro-Stooges.  What kind of fan are you if you insult one of them??   ???
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: jrvass on July 14, 2008, 11:42:50 PM
Point made. I'm over it. I'll still not buy the Joe's.

James
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on July 15, 2008, 12:07:14 AM
Point made. I'm over it. I'll still not buy the Joe's.


As am I.   ...That's cool.  No one's forcing you.   [cool]

*and peace was restored to the land....?*
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 15, 2008, 07:19:20 AM
Diane just agreed with my persepction of Joe. Whether he was a fag or not in real life, I don't care. But in the Stooges  he was.

My 2 pennies.

James

I understand she agreed with you, but she went to the next level and decided to call Joe a "woose muffin fag." I find that a lot worse than saying he's gay.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on July 15, 2008, 01:24:06 PM
If someone would like to interpret Joe's character as gay (notice I said character, not the real man), that's fine.  While I may disagree with you, at least give evidence to back up your point.

Also, the term "fag," whether it be of the regular or woose muffin variety, is as offensive as any racial or ethnic slur you can think of.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 15, 2008, 01:44:55 PM
If someone would like to interpret Joe's character as gay (notice I said character, not the real man), that's fine.  While I may disagree with you, at least give evidence to back up your point.

Also, the term "fag," whether it be of the regular or woose muffin variety, is as offensive as any racial or ethnic slur you can think of.

Yeah, I agree.

One thing I don't understand about Diane is that she apologizes for all sorts of strange reasons such as being a "nuisance" or whatever. But now is the time she really needs to apologize but she doesn't. Like what Jim said, her true color is beginning to show.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on July 15, 2008, 02:31:53 PM
Dear Sirs (XRAFFLE) (And Others):

Sir what I was trying to say when I said that Mr. Besser was a woose muffin fag, is that I did not like him as a Stooge.  I was not putting any personal statement on him personally.  As a matter of fact sir, I do not know much about his personal life.  For all that matters if I can put in some sort of an apology, (may not hold), I do have respect for his long time marriage to his wife. 

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on July 15, 2008, 04:36:29 PM
Dear Sirs and Mames: (Xraffle, Curlysdame, Metaldams, BeAStooge and others):

I would like to direct this post to everyone of you.  You can make your opinions on any and everything and that is all right. But sirs and mames if I dare say anything that is my opinion, and the way I post,  you shoot me down, insult me, so on and so forth.  It is all right if you make your statements and none of you insult each other, but if I do it you're at me like it is the wrong thing to do. Sorry for bothering your wonderful site.  I will try to refrain as much as possible from posting here.  I feel that I am not wanted.  I am not looking for sympathy, just wanted to let you know that I am no better than any of you.  I thought anyone could make their opinions sounded here, but I guess not.  Like I mentioned to "Curlysdame" in a personal post, I am not "STRAIGHT."  Fill in the blanks. I just thought the way you were rifling at me about my opinion of the worst episode thread was a BIT HURTFUL.  It is all right for you ladies and gentlemen to say your opinions, and not be shot at with a .30/30 gat with a clip.  I never once ever said anything bad about any of you. I always up to now kept thanking you for your help.  No one is better than anyone else.  They way I post was the way I was raised. Again I'll try not to post anymore than I have to.  I even posted a rebuttle, explination on what I meant about what I said about Mr. Besser.

Sirs and Mames may the remaining portion of your week be a great one.

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 15, 2008, 05:25:03 PM
Diane,

No way did we intend to hurt your feelings or chase you away. I'm going to be direct. You take things too personally. Every little thing we do seems to bother you and make you feel unwanted. Saying that Joe Besser is a "woose muffin fag" is a very ignorant and offensive thing to say and we were just pointing that out. If you did anything so terrible, the moderators would've banned you and as you've seen, they show no mercy when doing so if they feel a person deserves it. You weren't even warned or anything. We were just saying that your comment was uncalled for. I know we are allowed to express our opinions here, but obviously, there's a limit. I could be wrong, but that's just what I think. Don't think we don't want you here because if you do, you're getting the wrong idea. If you decide not to post anymore, that's your decision, not anyone else's. If I, in any way, hurt your feelings, then I apologize. I really wish you wouldn't always take things the wrong way and be so sensitive about. The point of this site is to have fun, but you seem to be a bit too tense when posting. There's no need to be nervous. Trust me, nobody hates you. Heck, you were even made a "Team Stooge." That should mean something to you. I know it would mean a lot to me. Please, try not to take things too harshly. We all get corrected here. Even I was corrected many times. There's nothing much else I can say right now. Just please remember. You never "bothered" this site and we don't want you to refrain from posting here. You are always welcome to post here anytime.

xraffle
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: archiezappa on July 15, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
Diane,

I also agree that you shouldn't leave.  I feel that you really contribute something good to this site.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moe Hailstone on July 15, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
I also think that you should stay around Diane...just be more careful with your choice of words.

Having an opinion isn't against the law.  Sure you might still offend/piss off some people who think differently, but when you use offensive words (why not homosexual instead of fag?) that will usually upset a lot more people.

Hopefully a lesson here has been learned by all.  Choose your words well...and try not to jump down people's throats when they use the wrong words.   [cool]

We all make mistakes...except me of course.   :D
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: JazzBill on July 15, 2008, 06:03:35 PM
Adiós Diane, don't let the door hit you in the ass. Hey Rob, can I be a Team Stooge member now?



Just kidding Diane  :laugh:
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 15, 2008, 06:17:21 PM
Hey Rob, can I be a Team Stooge member now?

I'm not even sure what Team Stooge members do anyway. My guess is that they help with this site in some way, but I'm not sure exactly what their role is.



Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dunrobin on July 15, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
Diane, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, and while I don't agree with you, Joe Besser has definitely been called worse by others here in the past.  I used to have a pretty low opinion of Joe until I started watching some of his solo work.  He was an fine actor and, from what I have learned of him, he was an extremely decent human being. 

I just don't think his style really fit with the Stooges.  I still dislike most of his Stooges shorts, but I blame that as much on the studio and the overall quality of the productions and scripts as I do on Joe's character. 

Nevertheless, I'll be buying the Joe volume.  I've got to have the complete collection.   ;D
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dunrobin on July 15, 2008, 07:13:53 PM
I'm not even sure what Team Stooge members do anyway. My guess is that they help with this site in some way, but I'm not sure exactly what their role is.

Team Stooge members help maintain and expand the Filmography database.  BeAStooge does the lion's share of the work, but the others help out.  For example, we've had several new Transcripts added to the database over the past few weeks, thanks to Diane and Stooge (who reappeared recently.)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on July 15, 2008, 09:46:19 PM

Having an opinion isn't against the law.  Sure you might still offend/piss off some people who think differently, but when you use offensive words (why not homosexual instead of fag?) that will usually upset a lot more people.


Bingo.  As a moderator, I will never ban someone over an opinion, no matter how offensive I find said opinion.  I believe in freedom of speech.  As a poster who is offended by the opinion, I will speak out on it.  My freedom of speech, and that says terms like "fag" are unnecessary. This is the last I'll speak on the issue.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 15, 2008, 09:49:34 PM
I think I might have went a bit overboard. I received a message from Diane and she was a bit hurt by what we said. I sent her an apology. I really hope she'll consider posting again. From now on, I'll try not to take people's opinions too personally.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on July 16, 2008, 01:28:36 AM
Diane,

No way did we intend to hurt your feelings or chase you away. I'm going to be direct. You take things too personally. Every little thing we do seems to bother you and make you feel unwanted. Saying that Joe Besser is a "woose muffin fag" is a very ignorant and offensive thing to say and we were just pointing that out. If you did anything so terrible, the moderators would've banned you and as you've seen, they show no mercy when doing so if they feel a person deserves it. You weren't even warned or anything. We were just saying that your comment was uncalled for. I know we are allowed to express our opinions here, but obviously, there's a limit. I could be wrong, but that's just what I think. Don't think we don't want you here because if you do, you're getting the wrong idea. If you decide not to post anymore, that's your decision, not anyone else's. If I, in any way, hurt your feelings, then I apologize. I really wish you wouldn't always take things the wrong way and be so sensitive about. The point of this site is to have fun, but you seem to be a bit too tense when posting. There's no need to be nervous. Trust me, nobody hates you. Heck, you were even made a "Team Stooge." That should mean something to you. I know it would mean a lot to me. Please, try not to take things too harshly. We all get corrected here. Even I was corrected many times. There's nothing much else I can say right now. Just please remember. You never "bothered" this site and we don't want you to refrain from posting here. You are always welcome to post here anytime.

xraffle

Speak for yourself, X. If she's so sad she can go cry on the Grand Dragon's shoulder at the next Klan rally.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 16, 2008, 11:39:29 AM
Well, I just don't like chasing people away. I didn't realize disagreeing with a person's opinion was going to cause such a mess. So, I'll just refrain from doing so next time, even if it is technically allowed on this site.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on July 16, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
Just because someone is touchy doesn't mean you should give up your right to express a dissenting opinion. If that certain someone cannot deal with dissenting opinions then they are the ones who should keep their mouths shut.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 16, 2008, 09:26:49 PM
Whoa! Diane's karma went down dramatically in the last 24 hours. Now come on. Be nice people. ;)

I guess if the mods think it's alright to express a dissenting opinion, then'll I'll continue to do so. But for now, I won't opine on this "fag" issue anymore.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on July 16, 2008, 09:37:38 PM
Whoa! Diane's karma went down dramatically in the last 24 hours.

-5.  Damn, it did!.  ...And I thought I held a grudge. 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 16, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
Uh oh! No more Karma system now. It probably isn't such a bad idea that it's taken out anyway. People use it the wrong way. Not saying whether or not Diane's smites were legitimate or not. It's just that over the years, in general, it has been used improperly by some people.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on July 16, 2008, 11:06:09 PM
Uh oh! No more Karma system now. It probably isn't such a bad idea that it's taken out anyway. People use it the wrong way. Not saying whether or not Diane's smites were legitimate or not. It's just that over the years, in general, it has been used improperly by some people.

Aww!  That sucks!  I thought the karma system was a cool idea.  Although, I do see how it could easily get out of hand/be abused.  I remember that moe-jo/Mattie Herring character got smited a lot (for good reason, though)...   :P
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 17, 2008, 07:43:13 AM
Yeah, that's true. I wonder if there is a way to have a Karma system where people are only allowed to applaud someone.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: shemps#1 on July 17, 2008, 11:21:43 AM
That would be extremely gay, which the karma system was anyway, but even gayer still if all you could do was applaud someone.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on July 17, 2008, 12:44:34 PM
The problem I have with smiting is that when you do so, you're pretty much smiting yourself as that person will most likely retaliate. If I remember correctly, I believe I only smited two people, one of which retaliated and smited me back.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dunrobin on July 17, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
It was kind of a silly feature at best.  I probably should have turned the stupid thing off ages ago, but better late than never.   ;)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dr. Belch on July 17, 2008, 03:31:43 PM
Beer Barrel Polecats is quite off. The riotous yeast gag is the high point, but it sort of loses its way in the second half with the Goodbye, Mr. Chumps footage that never quite meshes with the beermaking plot, and Eddie Laughton either couldn't or wouldn't come in to film a new scene at the end. That maybe would have better tied the thing together.

Three Loan Wolves, another short from the ailing Curly era, also leaves a sour taste. Larry makes a game effort, but can't quite pull off jokes that were obviously scripted with a frentic Curly in mind. And the kid just up and walks away from his three "dads", who raised him, to go look for his mom (well, actually, his aunt, if I recall right), who was little more than some two-bit gun moll who abandoned him as a baby.  Ungrateful little turd, wasn't he?

Joe Besser was actually a stand-up guy. He realized his limits and spoke warmly of the team, whic hhe called "Besser and the Stooges". That bioepic they did a while back made him out to be more like a petulent, arrogant horse's ass.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on July 17, 2008, 03:40:27 PM
That would be extremely gay, which the karma system was anyway, but even gayer still if all you could do was applaud someone.

First you guys accuse Joe Besser of being gay, and now the karma system?  Tsk, tsk, I don't know how you guys can look in the mirror every morning!  :police:
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: JazzBill on July 17, 2008, 04:49:49 PM
It was kind of a silly feature at best.  I probably should have turned the stupid thing off ages ago, but better late than never.   ;)
I thought the karma thing was fun at times. But it was flawed to say the least. How could anyone deserve to have more karma points than people like Brent and Gary? Maybe now if someone says or does something that I believe deserves recognition, I'll send them a PM and tell them so.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on July 17, 2008, 08:03:01 PM
Dear Everyone:

Just would like to extend one last apology for my incorrect way of using the word "fag".  I did not realize how offensive the word was until I was explained by couple of other members of the site.  If this did damage to the Karma section I do extend my apologies.  Again everyone this is the last I will mention on this but I just wanted to let everyone know I did not mean to use it in was of hurting any one.  I was just using it to make a statement.  Again sorry.

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Shemp27 on August 05, 2008, 05:34:42 AM
I can't believe all of these posts bashing "Woman Haters" its the first short that deserves some credit in my opinion. Also its has some funny parts, by no means is it in my top 20 or maybe even 50 but its still a solid stooge short.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Single-O on August 05, 2008, 12:51:35 PM
Yup, Besser sucks.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: stoogeophile on August 05, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
Yup, Besser sucks.

Here we go again!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Single-O on August 05, 2008, 01:30:51 PM
Here we go again!

Sorry, my opinion.  I also think DeRita sucks, too.  The Stooges ended for me when Shemp went.  I just find all the post-Shemp shorts and ESPECIALLY the features dull and lifeless.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Moron4392 on August 05, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
Sorry, my opinion.  I also think DeRita sucks, too.  The Stooges ended for me when Shemp went.  I just find all the post-Shemp shorts and ESPECIALLY the features dull and lifeless.

Hey Single-O: ;D

I totally argee with you.  I also feel that the post Shemp era was a total wash out.  To me in my opinion Shemp was the best of them all.  As a Stooge or solo in his own shorts and features.  Thank you for listening.

May the remaining portion of your week and your up coming weekend be great!

Diane Elizabeth Hoekstra
Moron4392 [3stooges]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on August 05, 2008, 03:31:15 PM
Yup, Besser sucks.

I can't help but notice that you have a Besser icon. Had you not said that, I would've still thought you were a Besser fan. Very rarely do I see someone use the stooge they hate and add it as their icon. :D

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Sadistic Stooge on August 05, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
Oh for the love of god people ! We get it You hate Besser when he was with the stooges . He did much more work then that on his own that was funny . He worked with Abbott and Costello on there TV show for 1 season and when he played the brat Stinky , he had me rolling on the floor !!!!!  Some of his Columbia shorts were funny too like   "CAUGHT ON THE BOUNCE"  He was also funny working with Shemp in AFRICA SCREAMS . I wish that Shemp and Besser would of worked more movies or shorts together .

So bottom line is , stop putting down Besser . Besser him self knew he didn't fit with Moe and Larry ,but it was a job and they told him he was needed with the stooges so thats what he had to do .
If your boss told you to do some thing at work you didn't like doing are you going to tell him/her no ?

that's it I'm done with this Besser Topic
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: xraffle on August 05, 2008, 03:48:47 PM
You know, it's funny. You always hear people say Shemp is not as good as Curly. Then, Joe and Curly-Joe weren't as good as Shemp, so people hate them even more. Sometimes I wonder, if Curly ended up being the last of the six stooges to be hired, would everyone be saying that Curly sucks? [confused2]

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Sadistic Stooge on August 05, 2008, 04:03:35 PM
You know, it's funny. You always hear people say Shemp is not as good as Curly. Then, Joe and Curly-Joe weren't as good as Shemp, so people hate them even more. Sometimes I wonder, if Curly ended up being the last of the six stooges to be hired, would everyone be saying that Curly sucks? [confused2]



Wow that never crossed my mind , good question .
I know looking at the stuff Curly did at MGM And the 1 movie he did at Universal , was not the same as when he worked at Columbia . He was not as free to make up stuff and make the story line funner  . So if he acted like he did at MGM and Universal the whole time he was with the stooges at Columbia, I would have to say Shemp would of beat him out as best 3rd stooge .
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on August 05, 2008, 04:26:03 PM
You know, it's funny. You always hear people say Shemp is not as good as Curly. Then, Joe and Curly-Joe weren't as good as Shemp, so people hate them even more. Sometimes I wonder, if Curly ended up being the last of the six stooges to be hired, would everyone be saying that Curly sucks? [confused2]

Good point, X.  I never thought of that...

This is the way I see it:  Despite the fact that Shemp was indeed a stooge before Curly, he was not part of the official, original "Three Stooges" act as we know it today, i.e. the Columbia shorts.  They legally changed their name to "The Three Stooges" in 1934 shortly after they were signed with Columbia, which, technically, makes Curly the original third 'Stooge.'  He was there during their rising fame, and ultimately, the glory years.  People always remember those years best, and have a higher regard for those films.  Also keep in mind, that during the years Curly was part of the act, was when they accumulated the majority of their popularity.  ...So you end up with all these theater goers/fans who have seen Curly for the last 12 years, who have come to love him, and then one day Shemp appears in Curly's place.  Which was probably like, "Shemp?  Where's Curly?  Well, he's funny, but we still want Curly."  I guess the successors will always be compared to the original.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Sadistic Stooge on August 05, 2008, 04:33:42 PM
Good point, X.  I never thought of that...

This is the way I see it:  Despite the fact that Shemp was indeed a stooge before Curly, he was not part of the official, original "Three Stooges" act as we know it today, i.e. the Columbia shorts.  They legally changed their name to "The Three Stooges" in 1934 shortly after they were signed with Columbia, which, technically, makes Curly the original third 'Stooge.'  He was there during their rising fame, and ultimately, the glory years.  People always remember those years best, and have a higher regard for those films.  Also keep in mind, that during the years Curly was part of the act, was when they accumulated the majority of their popularity.  ...So you end up with all these theater goers/fans who have seen Curly for the last 12 years, who have come to love him, and then one day Shemp appears in Curly's place.  Which was probably like, "Shemp?  Where's Curly?  Well, he's funny, but we still want Curly."  I guess the predecessors will always be compared to the original.

Right On The Money !!!!!!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Shemp27 on August 05, 2008, 11:23:24 PM
I totally agree but as you can tell from my name and icon shemp holds a special place in my childhood. No I was not around when the stooges were but I remember my dad and I watching family channel late at night when they had the stooges and shemp was always hands down my favorite. He was just different and unique from curly which took a lot for him not to copy his brother's success. I love curly but I will always fight that shemp was just as if not funnier than curly.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: FineBari3 on August 06, 2008, 07:35:24 AM
I totally agree but as you can tell from my name and icon shemp holds a special place in my childhood. No I was not around when the stooges were but I remember my dad and I watching family channel late at night when they had the stooges and shemp was always hands down my favorite. He was just different and unique from curly which took a lot for him not to copy his brother's success. I love curly but I will always fight that shemp was just as if not funnier than curly.

I can't believe that I am so old that kids from that time of the Family Channel are now nostalgic!   [faint2]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Single-O on August 06, 2008, 09:10:22 AM
Oh for the love of god people ! We get it You hate Besser when he was with the stooges . He did much more work then that on his own that was funny . He worked with Abbott and Costello on there TV show for 1 season and when he played the brat Stinky , he had me rolling on the floor !!!!!  Some of his Columbia shorts were funny too like   "CAUGHT ON THE BOUNCE"  He was also funny working with Shemp in AFRICA SCREAMS . I wish that Shemp and Besser would of worked more movies or shorts together .

So bottom line is , stop putting down Besser . Besser him self knew he didn't fit with Moe and Larry ,but it was a job and they told him he was needed with the stooges so thats what he had to do .
If your boss told you to do some thing at work you didn't like doing are you going to tell him/her no ?

that's it I'm done with this Besser Topic

Joe Besser = NEVER funny.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: stoogeophile on August 06, 2008, 11:35:30 AM
Yup, Besser sucks.

I can't help but notice that you have a Besser icon. Had you not said that, I would've still thought you were a Besser fan. Very rarely do I see someone use the stooge they hate and add it as their icon. :D

Yes, I thought the same. I do not understand him. ???
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dunrobin on August 06, 2008, 11:45:22 AM
I can't help but notice that you have a Besser icon. Had you not said that, I would've still thought you were a Besser fan. Very rarely do I see someone use the stooge they hate and add it as their icon. :D

IIRC, sickdrjoe used to use a Besser avatar (I think it was from "Quiz Whiz", with Besser dressed in that 'Buster Brown' outfit) even though he hated the Besser shorts.  Of course, that was several years ago now.   ;)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Single-O on August 06, 2008, 01:12:40 PM
Some people choose their avatar for people they like, I choose mine for someone I don't like.  I mean, look at his face??  What a dope.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: AmalgamatedMoron on August 06, 2008, 01:18:20 PM
Aren't some of you guys beating a dead horse here?  Leave poor Joe alone.  He stepped in and helped the boys finish their contract, for that alone he deserves some credit.  By the sheer fact that he was a "replacement" makes him unpopular with many, but as some have already pointed out, to his credit he did not try to imitate Curly or Shemp but made his own character. 

He was certainly unique, effeminate, but NOT gay!  Please bear in mind this distinction.  I personally think he was interesting for this very reason.  His unique character was refreshing because of the very reason that he had to step in and do the unenviable job of replacing Shemp.  I find some of his shorts with the boys very amusing and unique, as someone already mentioned, his UFO shorts for example. 

I really like Muscle Up a Little Closer, though I know many don't care for it.  I love the warehouse scene where Joe drops the eggs then Moe makes him clean it up.  He pours salad oil all over the mess then "cooks" it with a torch.  Moe replies: "A frustrated short order cook.  This guy must of come from outer space". 

That's hilarious in my humble opinion, and I will be purchasing the Besser shorts when Sony releases that volume next year.  True Stooge fans respect all of the boys work and will purchase the complete collection, even if that means buying some of the shorts that are not your favorites.  I'm just happy to see Moe and Larry being able to work later on in their lives.  For that reason alone I admire Joe's contribution.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: stoogeophile on August 06, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
Ditto!! Well said.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Sadistic Stooge on August 06, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
you are so right about Muscle Up a Little Closer the gag with the eggs is the best ...
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: stoogeophile on August 06, 2008, 06:15:54 PM
Some people choose their avatar for people they like, I choose mine for someone I don't like.  I mean, look at his face??  What a dope.

OOhhh you crazy!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: FineBari3 on August 06, 2008, 07:16:48 PM
Some people choose their avatar for people they like, I choose mine for someone I don't like.  I mean, look at his face??  What a dope.

I love that picture of Joe! That is my favorite of him!

What a cutie-pie!

I like Joe just fine.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: locoboymakesgood on August 12, 2008, 02:10:13 AM
I like Besser. I actually enjoy some of his shorts moreso than the sick-era Curly's.

Sue me.

Oh, and as an aside, I can not believe I missed all the drama a few weeks back. Where the hell was I?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on August 12, 2008, 02:33:05 AM
Oh, and as an aside, I can not believe I missed all the drama a few weeks back. Where the hell was I?

Oooh, you mean 'the Besser incident'?  LoL, yeah, where were ya?  We could've used your input. [cool]  As I was re-reading all that stuff a few days ago, I realized how funny and over dramatic it all was.  It got to a point where Diane sent me a less-than-friendly email. 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Bammer on September 06, 2008, 02:18:25 AM
Nyuk Nyuk is right, I didn't care for that short either. Especially when they were singing. I just didn't care for it. 'Dunked in the deep' wasn't so hot either.  'Some more of Samoa'  could be added to that list. I kinda like 'Heavenly Daze' when they were using a mixing bowl and put a pen in it to make it write under whipped cream was pretty good.  I read where the pen that stuck in Larry's forehead ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Lefty on September 06, 2008, 11:34:59 AM
I think my favorite Joe scene was from "Rusty Romeos" where he shot the tacks into Connie Cezon's derriere at the end.  That's what made the remake better than "Corny Casanovas," minus the Shemp picture in RR.
Title: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dr. Belch on September 16, 2008, 01:16:05 AM
Besser did what he did, and did it well. You can't really fault him for the lackluster scripts he was given, such as his debut short "Hoofs and Goofs". I mean, a horse giving birth in a bed? Eww. Those sheets would be unuseable, and likely the frame and boxspring would have to be replaced as well. Even wierder was the "sequel" of that short a year later, despite the first being a dream sequence...a human-turned-horse falling in love with a male horse? I'm not even sure how to catagorize that abomination.... Also, Joe not wanting to be hit with a "solid" prop, opting for a casserole instead? Odd...I'd have opted for the rolling pin, because that prop casserole (which I always thought was salad) looked terribly messy....
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Desmond Of The Outer Sanctorum on September 24, 2008, 09:47:13 AM
I don't know what I would consider to be the worst episode, but I know there are ones from all eras that I don't care for. "Woman Haters" may be the one I'm least interested in watching, if not the actual worst. Some of the obvious Joe shorts ("Horsing Around," "Sweet & Hot," "Sappy Bullfighters") are definitely at the bottom, but not necessary because of Besser.

I for one will be buying the Besser set, even while leaving many others unbought. I find his episodes fascinating for some reason; they're different & rare. In fact, I got into the Stooges originally just to see what the deal was with this supposedly poor era of their history.

I also don't think Joe was a bad Stooge, at least not as bad as the scripts, budgets, etc., made him seem. His performance in "A Merry Mix-Up" is one of the best things about it, and strikes me as quite Stooge-worthy. It's just a shame he didn't get to deliver more like it.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Ectahoozis on May 20, 2009, 07:18:36 AM
sorry to bump this old topic, but had to speak my mind.  The only episode I can't watch is "Violent is the word for Curley".  How can a Stooge fan not cringe when everyone starts singing?  bleh!  Sorry, I like Curley and all, but I can't see Shemp having any part in that one.  Honorable mention may be "Men in Black" ... I guess they weren't in character yet.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: OldFred on May 20, 2009, 08:24:16 AM
sorry to bump this old topic, but had to speak my mind.  The only episode I can't watch is "Violent is the word for Curley".  How can a Stooge fan not cringe when everyone starts singing?  bleh!  Sorry, I like Curley and all, but I can't see Shemp having any part in that one.  Honorable mention may be "Men in Black" ... I guess they weren't in character yet.

I like 'Violent', I think it's a fun short. I enjoy the singing segment, it's a nice little musical moment and one of the few where we hear Moe and Curly singing separately instead of in barbershop harmony and their individual singing voices I find very pleasant to hear. I also like when the Stooges sing in barbershop style, they were actually very good singers when they weren't fooling around.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: curlysdame on May 20, 2009, 01:51:42 PM
I enjoy the singing segment, it's a nice little musical moment and one of the few where we hear Moe and Curly singing separately instead of in barbershop harmony and their individual singing voices I find very pleasant to hear. I also like when the Stooges sing in barbershop style, they were actually very good singers when they weren't fooling around.

I agree, OldFred.  It's always been noted that Curly had a nice singing voice.  'Too bad we didn't hear more of it.  The only other screen appearance he made (that I can think of off the top of my head) where you get a small sample of his actual solo singing voice was in 'Turn Back the Clock' at the wedding reception scene.



Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: RICO987 on May 20, 2009, 11:48:01 PM


I am glad this post came to my attention.  I joined this site about 2 years ago and I have been amazed at the great dislike of Joe Besser and/or the shorts he appears in.   I do agree that the Besser era was not the Stooges in their prime, but much of why these shorts fall short can be attributed to what others on this site have already pointed out: Small budgets, weak story lines, older Stooges.  But, in my estimation, the weakness in these shorts cannot be attributed to a lack of stooging ability in Joe Besser. 

Demond, you hit the nail on the head: "different & rare"  I also look forward to buying the Besser era shorts.   

One more thing, if Besser stays through the 60s, I bet we have better Stooges product than we had with De Rita.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Ectahoozis on May 22, 2009, 07:11:56 AM
agree with the above post.  Besser was in a no-win situation after the death of Shemp.  He seemed like a nice guy (funny in his own way if not as much in a Stooge way) and always spoke highly of his association with the stooges, unlike DeRita who didn't even consider them funny (ala 3 Stooges Scrapbook).  Speaking of the "Post-Shemp era", I was always amazed at Moe's "The Show Must Go On" attitude.  After losing two of his brothers in a relatively short period of time, he still performed at a high level...especially when he had to refference Shemp during the Shemp Palma era shorts...a real trouper!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: McSnuff20 on May 22, 2009, 07:50:54 AM
That's right they were pretty good singers and I think they sang "You'll never know just what tears are til you cried like you made me cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy" in A Duck'in They Did Go, Half Shot Shooters and Horse Collars. I love Violen is the Word for Curly and enjoy B A BAY.....i like when Curly adds in Hey meet me in the gymnasium over by the dumb bells you'll know me I'll have a hat.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Lefty on May 22, 2009, 09:16:12 AM
The famous "imdb.com" thinks very lowly of Joe as well.  For him, Larry, and Moe, there are no listings for "A Merry Mix-Up," "Quizz Whizz," or "Fifi Blows Her Top."  The other 13 shorts are listed for the boys.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: LoU fRoM pRiSoN on May 25, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
One more thing, if Besser stays through the 60s, I bet we have better Stooges product than we had with De Rita.

I'm new here and this is my first post, but I have been a Stooge-ite since 1963 and over all that time, man is the above a thought that had never occurred to me!!!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Desmond Of The Outer Sanctorum on May 26, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
One more thing, if Besser stays through the 60s, I bet we have better Stooges product than we had with De Rita.
Hmmm... I don't know if we can say that for sure.

What I think I can say for sure is that '60s features with Besser would have been worse than shorts with Besser, and shorts with DeRita would have been better than '60s features with DeRita.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: RICO987 on May 26, 2009, 09:46:00 PM
No we do not know for certain what Stooge product quality would be like with different third stooges.  But your post prompted another thought.  With Mr. Besser in the Stooges, might have TV executives have given more thought to a weekly series - you see, I lived through that era as a kid and my memory from the 1960s of Joe Besser  just does not jive with much of what I see posted on this site.
 
My childhood friends and I all picked Curly as our top Stooge.  But nobody berated Besser.  In fact, maybe I was in a weird group of kids, but we all thought Besser was funny on his own as well as with the Stooges.  When Besser turned up on Joey Bishop, my friends and I watched that show whenever the parents allowed it.  When my friends and I would see a TV ad that Besser was about to appear as a guest on one show or another, each of us would notify the other that former Stooge Besser would be on the show.  Even back then, unless my memory is playing tricks on me, my friends and I wished that Besser was in the Stooges instead of De Rita.  None of us ever gave Joe the same credit as Curly or Shemp – that would have been sacrilegious!   But we did think Joe was funny in his own way and we liked him.  In my San Jose, CA grammar school in the early 1960s, the words, “not so hard” could be heard at the appropriate funny moment quite often.

Returning to my speculation in the first paragraph, my memory of Joe combined with what I know of the 1960s TV landscape makes me believe there were plenty of TV decision makers that thought Joe Besser was funny and/or a likable character for TV audiences.  The evidence for that is Joe was on so many shows in that era.  If Besser stayed with the Stooges through the 1960s, maybe an offer might have come for them to do the “shorts” format as a weekly series.  I suspect DeRita was looked at by everyone except Moe in the 1960s TV industry as being washed up.  Thus no offer of a weekly series was ever thought about, let alone offered to our boys.
 
Finally, as long as Moe and their producers/directors of their 1960s movies were willing to kowtow to the PTAs and others that wanted the violence toned down in their projects, you are correct – Besser would have made little difference to their movies.   Unless a different sort of comedy was written for the team due to the presence of a third stooge with a personality – Besser.  I cannot even detect what sort of a personality DeRita had.  With DeRita, the writers tried to recreate the Curly era, but without the talent of Curly nor the will to do the hard slapstick (or farcical comedy as Moe apparently put it).  The presence of Besser might have prompted a different approach to the scripts because I suspect the movies writers would not have tried to peg Joe into the Curly mold the same way they tried to peg DeRita.

Anyway thanks to the people who maintain this site.  It is great to have a forum like this where we can appear serious, but remain light hearted, about our not so serious objects of our affection, The Three Stooges.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Desmond Of The Outer Sanctorum on May 27, 2009, 12:24:57 PM
Wow... interesting & insightful thoughts there.

I never thought of Stooge-fan Besser-bashing as being a relatively new phenomenon, but from what you're saying that seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on May 27, 2009, 12:42:35 PM
As a kid in the 80's, I rarely saw Besser shorts, maybe 3 or 4 times.  I don't remember being offended by them the very few times I did and thought they were interesting because they were so rare. 

When I first saw HOOFS AND GOOFS on AMC years later, I was shocked at how awful it was.

Besser himself is funny and had the occasional moment as a Stooge, but he was better solo.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on May 27, 2009, 12:56:23 PM
By the way Rico, great post.  If you want more literature on Besser Vs. Derita, may I suggest.....

http://threestooges.net/forums/index.php?topic=2850.0
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: casey0272 on May 31, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
So right.  I can't think of one comedian/actor who would have been able to step in, either as a second Curly or a second Shemp.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: casey0272 on May 31, 2009, 04:02:35 PM
Nah!  We bashed him as kids in the 60s.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: archiezappa on May 31, 2009, 08:01:05 PM
I still can't get over the picture in the book "One Fine Stooge."  It has Moe, Larry and Joe dressed as Navy men.   [3stooges]  The caption reads "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Myren on June 02, 2009, 10:40:27 AM
As a kid in the 80's, I rarely saw Besser shorts, maybe 3 or 4 times.  I don't remember being offended by them the very few times I did and thought they were interesting because they were so rare.

I was the same way, I did not see many Besser shorts when I was younger. And I thought it was weird to see him as the third Stooge. It was a novelty to see him in there.  (Seeing as the first time I saw the Stooges it was with Shemp and thought that was the original line up when I was younger.)

Also did you ever wonder if Shemp had stayed with the Stooges, from the beginning, how it would have turned out? (No Curly shorts) Would they have had such a long run? Would they have gotten into more movies? Or just fizzled out early on?

As for my Worst Stooge Short(s), I would have to go with HOOFS AND GOOFS & HORSING AROUND.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on June 02, 2009, 10:55:45 AM


Also did you ever wonder if Shemp had stayed with the Stooges, from the beginning, how it would have turned out? (No Curly shorts) Would they have had such a long run? Would they have gotten into more movies? Or just fizzled out early on?


http://threestooges.net/forums/index.php?topic=3045.0
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Myren on June 05, 2009, 07:17:31 AM
metaldams, sorry did not see that on the board before I wrote that. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on June 05, 2009, 08:48:51 AM
metaldams, sorry did not see that on the board before I wrote that. Thanks for the link.

No problem, thought you'd like that.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Final Shemp on June 09, 2010, 11:14:37 AM
Well, this topic has been dormant for at least a year.  But since it was at the top of the page in it's forum anyway, I didn't see any harm in giving it a little bump.

After experiencing all of the Stooge shorts semi-back to back through the DVD sets, I have to say my least favorite is definately Bubble Trouble.  I love the original version, All Gummed Up, but the new ending with the gorilla is just too painful to watch.  And it just keeps going on and on.  First time I saw it, I felt like crying.

Probably the worst non-remake short is Horsing Around.  I have to say that I kind of thought it's prequel, Hoofs and Goofs, was a decent effort.  This sequel, however, is laugh free.  My least favorite non-remake Shemp short is probably Fiddlers Three, which wasn't all that entertaining.

I'm still trying to figure out what my least favorite Curly short is.  I have a few ideas:  Nutty but Nice, Beer Barrel Polecats, and Three Lone Wolves are probably my bottom three.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Final Shemp on June 09, 2010, 11:18:23 AM
Whoops.  Didn't see this was an archive forum.  Sorry if I posted in the wrong place.  I just looked up at the "Last Posted" corner and it caught my eye.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Stooge-Adam on June 10, 2010, 02:42:42 PM
I'm currently watching all 190 shorts in order. I'm on volume 6 and I came upon a short that was so bad, I suffered through it - "Scramble Brains." Oh, that was horrendous!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on June 10, 2010, 02:49:19 PM
I'm currently watching all 190 shorts in order. I'm on volume 6 and I came upon a short that was so bad, I suffered through it - "Scramble Brains." Oh, that was horrendous!

You know what they say opinions are like.

I happen to love SCRAMBLED BRAINS.  The phone booth scene and Shemp's proto-psychedelic piano scene are awesome.  To each their own.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: HELLOLARRY on June 11, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
Let's see....for me it would be:

Curly.....Rhythm and Weep
Shemp...Rhumpus in a Harem (does that qualify as it is technically 'Shemp-less')?
Joe....Horsing Around (Sweet and Hot would possibly be the obvious choice but I kinda like that one if only for the fact that they are trying something a little different)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Mike Lipincranz on June 11, 2010, 12:12:58 PM
Hey you imbecile.....I resemble that....boink, slap, rip, eye poke......take that you half brother to a weasel.......

Regards,
Mike >:(  [pie]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Stooge-Adam on June 11, 2010, 08:56:07 PM
You know what they say opinions are like.

I happen to love SCRAMBLED BRAINS.  The phone booth scene and Shemp's proto-psychedelic piano scene are awesome.  To each their own.

I may be able to like "Scrambled Brains" on it's own. Maybe viewing it with all the others in a big event, makes some of these shorts get lost in the shuffle. Had I just randomly chosen this short to watch, it might not of been as bad. But all I know is, I couldn't wait for it to be over.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Rich Finegan on June 12, 2010, 12:22:40 AM
I may be able to like "Scrambled Brains" on its own. Maybe viewing it with all the others in a big event, makes some of these shorts get lost in the shuffle. Had I just randomly chosen this short to watch, it might not have been as bad. But all I know is, I couldn't wait for it to be over.
Definitely do give it another chance.
This short is very highly rated by most Stooges fans I know (and that's my opinion, too!)
The piano scene is great!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Blystone on June 12, 2010, 04:18:32 AM
"Scrambled Brains" is one of my top two or three choices for the greatest of Shemp's shorts with the Stooges. Shemp as a total off-the-wall madman, having hallucinations, Moe and Larry aren't sure if he's sane enough to go home (he's not), now what could be funnier than that?

Maybe a late-career appearance by Vernon Dent?

[cool2]


Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: hiramhorwitz on June 12, 2010, 08:14:50 AM
"Scrambled Brains" is one of my top two or three choices for the greatest of Shemp's shorts with the Stooges. Shemp as a total off-the-wall madman, having hallucinations, Moe and Larry aren't sure if he's sane enough to go home (he's not), now what could be funnier than that?
[cool2]
Not to mention the appearance of silent film extra and Larry Fine's retirement home neighbor Babe London!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Stooge-Adam on June 12, 2010, 09:22:15 PM
"Scrambled Brains" is one of my top two or three choices for the greatest of Shemp's shorts with the Stooges. Shemp as a total off-the-wall madman, having hallucinations, Moe and Larry aren't sure if he's sane enough to go home (he's not), now what could be funnier than that?

Maybe a late-career appearance by Vernon Dent?

[cool2]



Just so people here know what I like and dislike reguarding the Shemp shorts...

My Top Five BEST Shemp shorts are:
1. Fuelin' Around
2. Brideless Groom
3. Sing a Song of Six Pants
4. Goof on the Roof
5. Hula-La-La

My Top Five Worst Shemp shorts are: (I've just finished watching "Gypped in the Penthouse")
1. Scrambled Brains
2. Fiddler's Three
3. Cuckoo on a Choo Choo
4. Bubble Trouble
5. Musty Musketeers (not a surprise since it's a remake of Fiddler's Three)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Blystone on June 13, 2010, 06:26:54 AM
There's really someone who doesn't like "Scrambled Brains?" That's understandable if you can't laugh at Shemp, and some people can't... to each their own. However, this is some great Stooging! How can you not crack up even at the supporting cast? Emil Sitka, Vernon Dent, and Babe London? Larry getting pelted on the head with eggs, in a phone booth?

Then there's Shemp's Boogie-Woogie, which is probably only funny to piano players— but it is funny.

[groucho]


Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Stooge-Adam on June 13, 2010, 06:39:40 AM
There's really someone who doesn't like "Scrambled Brains?" That's understandable if you can't laugh at Shemp, and some people can't... to each their own. However, this is some great Stooging! How can you not crack up even at the supporting cast? Emil Sitka, Vernon Dent, and Babe London? Larry getting pelted on the head with eggs, in a phone booth?

Then there's Shemp's Boogie-Woogie, which is probably only funny to piano players— but it is funny.

[groucho]




Shemp is actually my favorite Stooge and I get a lot of guff from a Curly fan at work for it too.

I just didn't find "Scrambled Brains" to be funny as much as annoying. I'm surprised so many people love it so much.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: metaldams on June 13, 2010, 12:02:38 PM
Shemp is actually my favorite Stooge and I get a lot of guff from a Curly fan at work for it too.

I just didn't find "Scrambled Brains" to be funny as much as annoying. I'm surprised so many people love it so much.

I also think SCARMBLED BRAINS was Larry's personal favorite Stooge short.  He did own a personal copy based on what I've read.

Hey, if ya don't like it, ya don't like it.  Most Stooge fans love it and consider it one of the better Shemps.  I'll be holding a tournament that starts on Wednesday, so everybody gets a chance to vote.

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Stooge-Adam on June 13, 2010, 03:39:13 PM
I also think SCARMBLED BRAINS was Larry's personal favorite Stooge short.  He did own a personal copy based on what I've read.

Hey, if ya don't like it, ya don't like it.  Most Stooge fans love it and consider it one of the better Shemps.  I'll be holding a tournament that starts on Wednesday, so everybody gets a chance to vote.



That's good to know about it being Larry's favorite. I was wondering what his favorite short was. I know that Moe's is "You Nazty Spy!" and Curly's is "A Plumbing We Will Go" and Shemp's is "Fright Night." Now I know Larry's. :)

What's everyone's take on my two least favorite Curly's: Back to the Woods and Three Loan Wolves?
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: ThumpTheShoes on June 13, 2010, 03:52:52 PM
What's everyone's take on my two least favorite Curly's: Back to the Woods and Three Loan Wolves?

The only weak thing about Back to the Woods is the dancing bit.. when they show the girls clapping and truckin' (the thing with the wagging finger).. that always gets an unintended chuckle and a cringe from me.

Three Loan Wolves has always been a favourite of mine. If for no other reason than the offspring crushing Porcupine's cheek with his little hand! And there's the solution for crying: Just change his position from one side to the other! And pineapples with TNT! The Old Oaken Bucket! A genuine Stratosphere! And more!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Stooge-Adam on June 13, 2010, 11:48:09 PM
I've found another bad one... "Hoofs and Goofs." Oddly enough Joe wasn't bad in it. I've been enjoying Joe so far, though it's a little strange without Shemp. I seem to miss Shemp more in the Joe's than I missed Curly in the Shemp's.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Blystone on June 14, 2010, 05:44:56 AM
Oddly enough, Joe Besser wasn't bad with Abbott & Costello; he can be really funny as "Stinky" when he works opposite Lou.

But he just wasn't true Stooge material, because you had to be willing to take slaps, pies, seltzer shrpritzes, mallets to the head, explosions, and whatever else came up. Joe B. didn't want to do the full Stooges routine, getting slapped and pied and bonked, and so he's not much of a Stooge.

If I can say anything in his defense, Besser was following directly in the footsteps of two of the greatest comics in American film history: Curly and Shemp Howard. He deserves a lot of credit for even trying to fill their shoes, but I'm still not buying Vol. 8.

At that point, the Columbia Comedy Shorts were just about finished (as in kaput), and it shows.

[oldman]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: OldFred on June 14, 2010, 08:48:36 AM
If I can say anything in his defense, Besser was following directly in the footsteps of two of the greatest comics in American film history: Curly and Shemp Howard. He deserves a lot of credit for even trying to fill their shoes, but I'm still not buying Vol. 8.


[oldman]


Too bad. Guess you're gonna miss out on the set's Easter Egg extra of a detailed retrospect of the Stooges Columbia shorts, complete with rare footage and outtakes, including some of the Stooges home movies. Quite a pity, quite a pity. [shrug]

[Shhhh, Yeah, I know there ain't no extra Easter Egg on the set. Just trying to see if I can fool this grapehead into buying the set. Don't tell him, you morons!!]   [shhh]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: mankey8284 on June 14, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
I actually enjoyed Scrambled Brains myself. Sitka with the coke bottle glasses, Shemp playing the piano, and Larry's "I think she's uglier than you" line to Moe, are all priceless.   [biggrin]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Blystone on June 15, 2010, 06:33:40 AM
Assumes Shemp voice: "Easter's over, and I didn't get no eggs yet!"

[tomatoed]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: OldFred on June 15, 2010, 08:55:13 PM
Assumes Shemp voice: "Easter's over, and I didn't get no eggs yet!"

[tomatoed]


Oh, taking me illiterately, eh?   [3stooges]
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Dog Hambone on June 17, 2010, 05:07:50 PM
I also think SCARMBLED BRAINS was Larry's personal favorite Stooge short.  He did own a personal copy based on what I've read.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that CUCKOO ON A CHOO CHOO was Larry's favorite, & that he used to show his copy to his rest home companions. 
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: simgershon on January 07, 2013, 04:05:10 PM
Joe Besser in his autobiography stated that the worst short is sweet and hot.  It should have been called bitter and cold....
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: fearlessfrizzletop on January 07, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
Anything with a stroke-addled Curly has to be considered a 'worst' episode. So for me, THREE LOAN WOLVES.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: WhyYou on January 12, 2013, 09:29:10 AM
Havent read all the posts,but like most,any with Joe is horrible,with possible exception of Quiz Whizz.And I give Curly Joe a Mulligan.Those movies were horrendous,but would they have been much better even with Shemp or Curly? And the fake Shemp ones,while they did treat Moe and Larry shabbily,I think that Joe Palma's pathetic "heep heep heep" imitation is kinda funny.But if there is one Curly or Shemp episode that I consider their very worst,would be Woman Haters,their very first short.Every time I see that,wonder how they ever got a chance to make a second short film.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: healyhouston on January 13, 2013, 04:39:38 AM
FYI

Larry owned the following films on 16MM and use to show them at the Woodland Hills Country Hospital (All Shemps)

Fright Night
Cuckoo on a choo choo
Commontion on the ocean

Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: RICO987 on January 13, 2013, 05:10:37 PM

I wonder if that was because the older shorts were harder to come by in 16mm. 

I would have to guess those were not Larry’s three favorites…

Maybe Cuckoo on a Choo Choo was one of his favorites.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Shemp_Diesel on January 14, 2013, 06:22:03 PM
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I'll add my 2 cents:

Worst Curly: Mutts to You. I'm not the biggest Charley Chase fan, as far as his work with the stooges is concerned and this is definitely his worst. Dog-washing machine, not funny at all. The baby scenes are mildy amusing at best & the ending is just meh. I'll even take some of the post-stroke Curly's like A Bird in the Head over "Mutts".

Worst Shemp: I like to break this up into categories: originals, remakes, and of course the "Shemp A.D." shorts:

worst original Shemp: Self Made Maids

worst Shemp remake: Hot Ice

worst post-mortem Shemp: Rumpus in the Harem

worst Besser short: Horsing Around easily, although I think Flying Saucer Daffy and Triple Crossed deserve an honorable mention as well.

And for extra credit, worst Derita feature: Snow White, nuff said!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: archiezappa on January 31, 2013, 06:20:40 PM
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I'll add my 2 cents:

Worst Curly: Mutts to You. I'm not the biggest Charley Chase fan, as far as his work with the stooges is concerned and this is definitely his worst. Dog-washing machine, not funny at all. The baby scenes are mildy amusing at best & the ending is just meh. I'll even take some of the post-stroke Curly's like A Bird in the Head over "Mutts".

Worst Shemp: I like to break this up into categories: originals, remakes, and of course the "Shemp A.D." shorts:

worst original Shemp: Self Made Maids

worst Shemp remake: Hot Ice

worst post-mortem Shemp: Rumpus in the Harem

worst Besser short: Horsing Around easily, although I think Flying Saucer Daffy and Triple Crossed deserve an honorable mention as well.

And for extra credit, worst Derita feature: Snow White, nuff said!

I like the way you broke them down into categories.  I may have to make my own list like this.  Cool!
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Allen Champion on February 28, 2014, 02:55:44 AM
For me, all the Stooges shorts are wonderful, except for IF A BODY MEETS A BODY through HALF WITS HOLIDAY.  I can't bear to see one of the world's most beloved comedians practically dying before my eyes.  It says a lot for his love of performing and his dedication to his career.  But what a tragic end for someone who brought (and continues to bring) so much joy into the world.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: stoogerascalfan62 on February 28, 2014, 09:50:46 AM
Mine would be Triple Crossed. Did not care for the way Larry was depicted, especially the end-I know it was a remake of He Cooked His Goose, which had, IMO, a more tolerable ending-with (in TC) Moe beating up on Larry. Only saw it once, never again.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Squirrelbait on February 28, 2014, 10:39:14 PM
Worst Curly: Back To The Woods/Rhythm And Weep
Worst Shemp: Bedlam In Paradise/Hot Stuff
Worst Joe Besser: Horsing Around (which also gets my vote for worst Stooge short of all time.)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Lefty on March 01, 2014, 10:49:58 AM
Worst Curly:  Woman Haters
Worst Shemp:  Cuckoo on a Choo-Choo
Worst Joe:  Hoofs and Goofs (only because I have seen that many more times than Horsing Around)
Worst Operating System:  Windows 8
Worst General Manager:  Ruben Amaro Jr. and Paul Holmgren (tie)
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: healyhouston on March 02, 2014, 03:04:48 PM

I actually like Woman Haters.  I remember years ago I saw the Stooges show at the Alex in Glendale and a band was playing the song from Woman Haters.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: IchabodSlipp on May 18, 2015, 06:20:28 PM
The worst one for me was "I Can Hardly Wait" (1943). Moe seems needlessly grouchy in this, the plot is pretty awful about Curly having a toothache (just never found dental humor funny) and the ending about it being a dream was pretty lame.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Paul Pain on May 24, 2015, 10:46:09 AM
Using our friend's format...

Worst Curly: BEER BARREL POLECATS.  While Shemp_Diesel has a very strong argument on MUTTS TO YOU, BEER BARREL POLECATS is much sloppier and has a lower quality of performance from all involved.

Worst Shemp: I like to break this up into categories: originals, remakes, and of course the "Shemp A.D." shorts:

worst original Shemp: SELF MADE MAIDS, which isn't to say I don't like this short in its own way.

worst Shemp remake: BUBBLE TROUBLE is just... weird.

worst post-mortem Shemp: They ALL suck HORRIBLY.  But SCHEMING SCHEMERS wins for the disgusting line at the end of the short.

worst Besser short: I haven't seen all the Besser shorts
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Paul Pain on May 24, 2015, 10:47:52 AM
Worst Operating System:  Windows 8

Windows 8.1 > Windows 8

Windows 98/00 <<<<< than all other OS's

This debate can only be had by 10 kinds of people.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: 7stooges on May 28, 2015, 05:05:18 PM
Worst Curly (pre-stroke) - Spook Louder!

Worst Curly (post-stroke) - Rhythm and Weep

Worst Shemp (original) - Self-Made Maids

Worst Shemp (remake) - Rip, Sew, and Stitch

Worst Shemp (post-death) - I lump all four together

Worst Joe (original) - Horsing Around (Sweet and Hot at least had Moe as a German psychiatrist)

Worst Joe (remake) - Triple Crossed

Worst Curly-Joe (Columbia) - Have Rocket, Will Travel

Worst Curly-Joe (other) - Kook's Tour

I'm part of the group that agrees Besser wasn't really the reason those last 16 Columbia shorts weren't up to par with the Stooges' earlier work. I feel the quality is on par with the last handful of Shemp shorts (and not just the ones with Palma).

Though I will agree that Besser never seemed to fit in as a Stooge. In fairness, he was only with the act for less than two years. I wonder if he would have worked better as a supporting player, a la Sitka and Dent. Overall, I see the Besser era as a novelty.

DeRita was a better fit as a Stooge, and was good enough to keep the act going for another decade or so. But he lacked personality. How would you describe Curly-Joe's character, anyway?

Assuming that the old Mantan Moreland story is true (I have my doubts), I wonder how he would have fared as a Stooge. Ditto for Sitka.
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: dgllamas on February 28, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
I'll have to say any Fake Shemp episodes, cz it feels so weird, and I'm uncomfortable with the guy's back to the camera.

Also, Cuckoo In A Choo Choo is odd. I can't say their performances are bad, cz they're not. I rather enjoyed seeing Larry taking on a more assertive role. It was the writing that was odd. I mean, why would they be in a stolen train car so that they can wait for Shemp to propose? Weird. And why wouldn't Officer Moe just arrest Larry and come back for Roberta? Instead, he (and the rest) stayed so long in that car that he actually had to shave. They were funny, but the writer/s, man, I'm wondering what they'd been smokin'? lol
Title: Re: Worst Episode Opinion
Post by: Shemp_Diesel on March 23, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
Speaking of "Worst Episodes," I thought it was more than a bit funny--and maybe ironic--that on the "Hey Moe, Hey Dad" DVD when Paul Howard cites some of the examples of "Good" Joe Besser shorts, he singles out Hoofs and Goofs as one of them. That got a sly chuckle from me...   >:D