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General Discussion / Re: The Worst Stooge Shorts There Never Were
« on: September 10, 2017, 06:12:45 PM »
Has anybody heard about the lost Stooges film that was just uncovered at a film screening a couple of days ago. It was supposed to be really bad, but at least it's more Stooges, am I right? Anyways, it was called We Don't Know What This Is Either. It is said to be featuring Moe Howard, and two other lookalikes for Larry and Curly. It was a promotional short made in about 1972. It is about 6 minutes long. The first half of the short film is just "Larry" and "Curly" slapping each other while Moe looks on. Moe wasn't being slapped because his family said that he was, and I quote, "too old for that crap". Near the half-way point of the short film, Moe finally says, "Hey, you should probably stop or something." but "Larry" and "Curly" can't hear so then they just keep on slapping each other. And, that's it. That's literally it.

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So, it has been quite a while since The Battle of the Century's second reel was announced...2 1/2 years, to be exact. Has anybody else on the forum seen this movie yet or heard anything about a release or any updates at all? Myself, I have been wanting to get my hands on the second reel for quite some time and nothing yet. Also, any word on this mystery man who seems to have Hats Off (or any other lost Hal Roach 1927 movie) in their possession?

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General Discussion / Re: 'Little' Billy Rhodes
« on: July 15, 2017, 06:11:35 PM »
It all started when I decided to see if I could find any alternate CA Death Index entries for him. So, in addition to "Littlebi[lly] Rhodes," I found another one with the same info for a "Clarence Bliss."

Well, from there, I discovered that Little Billy Rhodes's real name was Clarence Herbert Bliss, and that he was born February 1, 1895 in Lynn, Massachusetts (though his WWII draft registration card claims Newburyport, MA).

- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11053-188146-19?cc=1325221 (1900 U.S. Census, line 74)
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25976-21678-88?cc=1968530 (WWI Draft Registration Card)
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-38054-8354-68?cc=2185145 (1923 passport application, page 1, "Clarence Bliss - professionally known as Little Billy")
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-38054-8300-86?cc=2185145 (1923 passport application, page 2)
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-36723-31944-54?cc=2141044 (1923 passenger list, line 5)
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22274-41663-84?cc=1916078 (1923-24 passenger list, line 22)
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16389-65719-44?cc=1861144 (WWII Draft Registration Card, front)
- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16389-65792-37?cc=1861144 (WWII Draft Registration Card, back)
- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPNW-4HD (California Death Index, "Littlebi[lly] Rhodes")
- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPCJ-BB4 (California Death Index, Clarence Bliss)
- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V3PS-5N5 (Social Security Death Index, as "Billy Rhodes")
- http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=24671655 (Find a Grave)

Thanks! It would make sense that he would come from Lynn, Massachusetts being that my family and I are all natives to the state. Also, I had absolutely no clue what his real name is. And I'll have to check where the last name "Bliss" falls into my family tree, and find out if "Little" Billy had any siblings or anything like that.
That's pretty crazy.  You should do one of those ancestor researches to find out.

Supposedly, my Great Grandfather was a cameraman for Fox Studios in the teens when they were East Coast based.  If true, he probably shot one reelers that are now lost.  No way of confirming this other than my great grandfather, who died in 1962, claimed it and it's been passed on in my family.  They didn't really credit cameraman as much in the teens, so this is a mystery I'll never know.
Well, if you get any information about him in the years to come, I'd like to know. I wonder if he worked with any comedians that we talk so much about on these forums! I don't know of any famous actors in the 1910's that worked for Fox Studios, but I'm sure that somebody would know.

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They're hoping to start production in 2018.

Source:
http://www.c3entertainment.com/2017/03/3-entertainment-inc-bridges-classic-entertainment-such-as-the-three-stooges-with-contemporary-brands/

Thanks. Even though I'm not too enthralled about them making a sequel of the first movie (which wasn't too good), at least the movie will get some younger viewers interested into the Stooges, because I know that the first one did.

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Has any more news about this movie been reported? I tried to dig up news because I read that they were aiming for a 2017 release date, but I guess nothing has happened since 2015 in terms of making the movie. In a way, I am glad, but I wonder what happened. Could they not get an actor from the first one to sign on?

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General Discussion / Re: 'Little' Billy Rhodes
« on: July 14, 2017, 09:37:31 AM »
If it's worth anything, I am the relative of 'Little' Billy Rhodes. In fact, I didn't even know about it until a while back when I was watching THE STOLEN JOOLS (1931), which was a short comedy film that features comedians such as Laurel and Hardy and Buster Keaton. Anyways, I was watching it with my grandfather, who is an avid fan of both Laurel and Hardy and The Three Stooges and really all things slapstick comedy. During the end of the film, my grandfather said, "Hey, that's Billy!" Upon asking him who he was, I found out that he was a character actor who was famous for being, well, little. I don't see the relation on those terms, because most of my family on his side seems to be pretty tall. I asked what the relation was, and I think that it was my great-grandfather's cousin. If anybody has any other information about him, please feel free to share.

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Just declare A Plumbing We Will Go the winner and let's move on.  [pie]
I completely agree. I'm surprised that it has already gotten out.

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And we have a tie... since we had a tie, I am going to do this one in the way Metaldams would... choose your two favorites from the lot... any pair will do, and it will count as a singular vote for each of the shorts...

1 THREE LITTLE BEERS
5 THREE ARABIAN NUTS
8 HOI POLLOI
18 AN ACHE IN EVERY STAKE
HOI POLLOI and AN ACHE IN EVERY STAKE

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General Discussion / Re: The Worst Stooge Shorts There Never Were
« on: March 23, 2017, 04:33:19 PM »
Cheap Chirps

This is a Joe Palma-era Stooge short wherein Moe, Larry and "Shemp" buy two birds for very low prices, for absolutely no reason at all. Then, there is archive footage from "Hold hands you lovebirds!" scene from Brideless Groom for absolutely no reason at all. I guess because there's a bird in that scene? I don't know. The plot is confusing. We then go to a rehash of Cuckoo on a Choo-Choo but with birds playing Shemp and Moe.. And for that matter all of the other actors too. And then at the end Moe and Larry visibly quit for some reason and just leave Joe Palma in bird form and then the director yells "Cut" and then the short ends. It's really quite a confusing short.

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BRACKET 1

VIOLENT IS THE WORD FOR CURLY
I'LL NEVER HEIL AGAIN
THREE ARABIAN NUTS
NO CENSUS, NO FEELING
HOW HIGH IS UP?
THREE SAPPY PEOPLE
HEAVENLY DAZE
WE WANT OUR MUMMY

Bracket 2

BRIDELESS GROOM
IN THE SWEET PIE AND PIE
A PLUMBING WE WILL GO
HOI POLLOI
DUTIFUL BUT DUMB
MICRO PHONIES
DOPEY DICKS
AN ACHE IN EVERY STAKE

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I read a very good book once about the life of Edgar Kennedy that I believe was written by Bill Cassara that went very in-depth about the early stages of his life. One of the key points that they brought up was his life at Keystone. Of course, he went on to be a very prolific actor, but every now and then they would call him back for a Keystone Kop reunion or Keystone movie.

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A GEM OF A JAM
SOCK-A-BYE BABY

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(This has nothing to do with my review, but I found on the Wikipedia page for this short that this is Buster's first writing credit, his first director credit, and the first time he was put in a starring role. On to the review.)

THE ROUGH HOUSE is a bit of a strange film to review in terms of its pacing. I feel like it never really reaches a climax, never really has a sense of finality, but that's quite alright because of the sheer funniness of the film and genuine thought that goes into the gags.

While Buster really doesn't get a lot to do in the film compared to THE BUTCHER BOY, Roscoe Arbuckle really takes the cake as the cook. The first scene with him attempting to put out a fire in his house is just great. He gets a little dinky water source to try and put the fire out but then wonders why the fire isn't going away. His reactions really make the scene what it is. The over-exaggerated reactions from the rest of the cast in this scene really amount to nothing, but Arbuckle's Stan Laurel-like way of thinking in this scene make it good.

Now, there is quite a big slapstick scene in this one and it goes on for a good 4 minutes which is quite a long time. It's no BUTCHER BOY pie and flour fight, but it is quite good. You can see that Buster is perfecting the mannerisms and reactions that would make him a highly respected comic. If you read my review of THE BUTCHER BOY, then you know my thoughts on Al St. John. He's just a traditional silent comic and his reactions never do much to me, and that's how this scene feels to me. Another highlight of the fight is Roscoe's reactions to when food gets thrown at him because he doesn't know how or why this is happening to him.

After this slapstick fight, Buster and Al throw some flour at a cop who then demands that for these actions, Buster and Al have to either do their time in jail or become a part of the police force. They choose the latter, which results in some Keystone Kop-esque comedy. There is a funny gag during one of the cop scenes where they appear out of thin air due to the police commissioner's requests.

Meanwhile, Roscoe has some neat gags as a cook that never really amount to much, and then there's some big chase scene where there's a funny gag with Buster but that's pretty much the highlight. Then, the short is over. While there are quite a few good gags in this, and the inventiveness shows off, the "climax" and "finale" don't really do much to the overall short. I'm going to give this an equal rating of my review for THE BUTCHER BOY:

7/10

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Weekly Episode Discussions / Re: The Butcher Boy (1917) - Buster Keaton
« on: February 11, 2017, 07:37:08 PM »
Okay, THE BUTCHER BOY is by no means a classic, but it is pretty darn impressive considering it's Buster Keaton's first time on the big screen. Keaton had been trained in the vaudeville circuits ever since he was a baby, and it shows! Keaton acts like a seasoned professional as he executes his gags with such grace you could've sworn he'd been making films for years.

Arbuckle is so talented and it really shows up. You can just tell how much dedication he puts into his craft and you can tell that the gags he does have taken him lots of tries and he hasn't given up just to see the end result. I always find it sad how people accused Arbuckle so wrongly during the decline of his career but Buster Keaton would always stay with him and would often be his top defender in situations like that. I'm getting beyond myself.

The first half of this is pure comedic gold. Let me talk about the first half. Now it starts out with Roscoe as a butcher who falls in love with a girl. However, the villain in this short, Al St. John (Roscoe's real-life cousin) has the same affection for the same girl. Now, we get treated to some pure slapstick at its finest in this first half.

There are two scenes in the first half that really stood out to me. The first was when Buster, a imbecile in this film, shows up and requests molasses. Now, naturally, he gets his too-big shoes stuck into molasses. Roscoe tries to help him and comedic results ensue. If any other generic two comedians did this gag, I'm sure it wouldn't have been as funny. The heart that went into this one simple minute or two really developed a life-long friendship between Roscoe and Buster.

The second scene is just a pure slapstick brawl. Pies, flour and other assorted items are thrown onto Buster, Al St. John and some other guy. Typically, I'm not a fan of Al St. John because I feel like he hams up too much into the camera, but I feel like this gag really did the guy some justice. All three performers really get the point across and go over-the-top, but it works in this scene because if this happened to you, you would be too.

Now that I've talked so much praise of the first half, what did I think of the second half? Not much, actually. We get treated to a traditional silent-film ending where Roscoe and the stock cinematic baddie get into a fight over the girl but the good guy wins. I felt like this was always a cheat ending in silent films as this happened way too often. We get lots of Al St. John mugging, not enough Buster Keaton, and too much of men in drag.

As for the supporting characters in this piece, I feel like they did a fine job. Nothing too much, nothing too little. But I feel like Roscoe's dog stands out because he's an animal co-star treated like a human. I know this was popular back in the day, but with Luke you can tell that he was trained wonderfully and that Roscoe really feels some sort of affection for the dog.

So, the first Buster Keaton film has a great first half but a jumbled second half with a messy ending. What would I give this film on a 1 to 10 scale?

7/10

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Weekly Episode Discussions / Re: The Butcher Boy (1917) - Buster Keaton
« on: February 10, 2017, 07:45:34 PM »
I'll be posting my review to this tomorrow. I've been a bit busy this week, but I've been really wanting to do this review as I'm happy to begin with the Keaton discussion.

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A GEM OF A JAM
CUCKOO ON A CHOO CHOO

IF A BODY MEETS A BODY
SHOT IN THE FRONTIER

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Nice!  I'll definitely give my two cents.
As will I! I hope to be an active contributor in the Keaton discussions as well as other discussions that we may have in the future and kind of expand my knowledge of slapstick comedy to more than just comedy teams and maybe find out some cool solo acts along the way. I've seen a couple films of Keaton's, so out of the all of the silent comedians, I think I've seen more of him but I'm excited to see more of his films!

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HE COOKED HIS GOOSE
FLAT FOOT STOOGES(the best out of a bad bunch)
THE GHOST TALKS
A GEM OF A JAM

FOR CRIMIN' OUT LOUD
SOCK-A-BYE BABY
IF A BODY MEETS A BODY
SHOT IN THE FRONTIER

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Weekly Episode Discussions / Re: Future discussions
« on: January 29, 2017, 04:46:54 PM »
We'll be doing the ones starring Buster.  Whether they'll be in order with his short subject films is TBD.
Okay. Good. Because there are a couple of assorted short subjects and feature films where he's only in a tenth of the film, so it seems like it would be a bit odd if we would review those films. However, very much looking forward to the Buster Keaton discussion and I'm glad that you're starting with the Roscoe Arbuckle shorts as this is where his character really started to take shape and started to evolve into the Buster that would become famous in films like The General.

Edit: I corrected by grammar in my original post, so I corrected it in this post where my post was quoted.

Alex (Paul Pain)

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Bracket 1

HE COOKED HIS GOOSE
FLAT-FOOT STOOGES
DONT THROW THAT KNIFE
MONKEY BUSINESSMEN
HALF-WITS HOLIDAY
MUTTS TO YOU
MERRY MAVERICKS(because Cookoo on a Choo Choo was the weirdest 16 minutes of my whole life)
THE GHOST TALKS (but Saved by The Belle comes quite close)

Bracket 2

UP IN DAISY'S PENTHOUSE(A Merry Mix-Up is a bit too confusing for my taste)
SOCK-A-BYE BABY
PALS AND GALS
BUSY BUDDIES
SHOT IN THE FRONTIER
IF A BODY MEETS A BODY
FOR CRIMIN' OUT LOUD
SCOTCHED IN SCOTLAND






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Weekly Episode Discussions / Re: Future discussions
« on: January 29, 2017, 12:50:10 PM »
Because of circumstances (mostly that I can't watch talkie L&H shorts due to my living circumstances), we will be starting on Saturday, February 4, 2017, with the Roscoe Arbuckle/Buster Keaton film THE BUTCHER BOY.

I can hardly wait!
So, about the Keaton discussion: Are we doing his feature films at all? If so, would we just be doing the feature films where he is featured prominently or would we also be doing the ones where he has supporting roles?

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Quiz Corner / Re: Trivia
« on: January 24, 2017, 07:36:43 PM »
How many pies are visibly thrown in The Sweet Pie and Pie?

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General Discussion / Re: Our Gang/The Little Rascals thread
« on: January 24, 2017, 07:35:27 PM »
Yes. I have heard about these lost silent shorts from the Leonard Maltin book and the one that really stood out to me was Yale vs. Harvard being the concept of a football game and I would have been curious to see how the kids played the gags off. If this movie was around, it would probably be a football pre-game staple.

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General Discussion / Re: Our Gang/The Little Rascals thread
« on: January 20, 2017, 02:23:07 PM »
Long-lost 'Our Gang' film "The Old Wallop" is now on YouTube!


No way! I haven't seen many of the silents but I am familiar with the cast and if I do recall there are a couple of their shorts that have been lost for quite a while and this must have been one of them. I'll probably end up checking out this short. What year is it from?

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I have only seen a handful of these shorts :-[ Looks like I'm going to have some watching to do before I make the decisions!

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